Goodbye for Now

[Peanuts]

Can I just say one thing? Please don't mind me, because I just spent all of yesterday curled up in the fetal position on my bed due to the flu and today am madly editing to get caught up so I am not in the kindest of moods but I must say I have never quite understood why people must announce how disgusted they are with a forum. This is not directed specifically at you Lyncca and I must say I have greatly enjoyed watching your phoography progress this pass year.
But sometimes I think everyone needs to be more open minded, if you receive critique you don't like just mentally block it or even better, learn from it. Even if all you glean from it is how to not approach a subject, that is good enough. I have been on here for... I don't know... 3 or 4 years (?) and I have seen a good number of people go through who I have not always errr.. respected, but I have not once hit the ignore button. I have survived.
Also, from who I think you feel must offended by Lyncca, there was a lot of truth within that post - that individual from what I have heard has been running one of the most successful child photography businesses in North America. Just something to dwell on.

 

[eravedesigns]

People are assholes get over it plus its just the internet so why care to begin with.

 

[skieur]

The truth is quite often that the person making the criticism doesn't know what they are talking about. There is a tendency to ignore it but it's a fact of life that there are way too many people around who think that merely owning a camera makes them an expert.

As for negative criticism - I rarely get any (on the odd occasions that I post a pic) but I think that is mainly because they are terrified of me (with good reason) :lmao:

Not true at all, Hertz. If the person making the critique is making all kinds of personal and emotional statements like: "I don't like it" or "That sucks" etc. then you may be right. However if the person is using the criteria related to technique and composition, then you are wrong. You can characterize anyone as thinking they are an expert, but they could have more experience than you, just different experience. Someone with an ego should not be surprised to run into someone else with an ego and someone with experience whould not be surprised to run into someone with equal experience.

I am certainly NOT terrified of you, but then I have more varied experience than you and probably an equal amount.

skieur

 

[kundalini]

and so it begins.....

 

[Chiller]

Don't they realise that photos taken at the zoo lack The Aura? Ignoramuses.

Chiller, you should be Prime Minister.

So Lyncca, that was quite the hiatus

...no way...un uh.... That is way too much responsibilities. Im already a Retard, but being called the Prime Minister is just low. :lmao:

No, no, no, Chiller! You're supposed to lecture them on the state of the 'art' and how, you, not being a full time photographer couldn't possibly sell your work, lest you and your foul ilk degrade the entire industry. If they insist, take the SLR and use it for what hobbyists should be using it for... not taking pictures, but beating these foul creatures about the head who actually want to buy something they like for a price they can bear. As they're sitting there, bleeding profusely with lens prints in their forehead, make sure you drop a few cards on them for when they wake up with the phone numbers of studio professionals who can do semi-nude, Dave Hill style wedding photos of zoo animals.

(And thusly, with few words, Rufus ensures his photos shall never be critiqued...)

That was last weeks lecture. You can see it on Youtube, right under the Barak O'bummers acceptance speech or sompin. (sorry , bad grammar, had a long day at my full time job):lmao::lmao: oh...I just sold a photo to a person in the US off my web site....oops. Hope y'all dont mind. :lmao::lmao:

back to my crypt...it sure is cold up here.

 

[Peanuts]

Take me back to the kittens! Wait a minute

 

[skieur]

I find in general terms, not related to any particular individual, that a lot of newbies are very very thin skinned when it comes to critique.

Heavens, I outgrew that silliness, when I was 17 years old. At that time I joined a camera club with my mother and the critique was much harsher than anything seen here or anywhere on the internet and it was very thorough, very straightforward, with no attempt whatsoever to be diplomatic. Good photography was good photography and weak, poor photos were weak, poor photos. It was credible and I certainly did not go crying to mommy for support when my work was criticised. I was forced to learn quickly in order to improve and I did so.

Critique in the club mixed the work of professionals with amateurs such as myself at the time and all work was treated equally. I learned one heck of a lot in a very short time and it was valuable. I was treated as an adult who could handle critique and I acted like one.

skieur

 

[skieur]

and so it begins.....

Great shot! Is it yours? :thumbup:

skieur

 

[keith204]

Hmm, I took a break for awhile to go get more criticism.

 

[skieur]

Take me back to the kittens! Wait a minute

No, dogs are nicer and particularly big dogs.

skeur

 

[abraxas]

and so it begins.....

Don't you just find it fascinating that it's not about showing a little support for someone with a bit of a rant, and has become about others imposing their values through nagging, and then a potential pissing contest?

 

[invisible]

People are assholes get over it plus its just the internet so why care to begin with.

Some people are so stupid that they'd rather not be around internet assholes. Go figure.

 

[rufus5150]

newbies are very very thin skinned when it comes to critique

My observations lately indicate it's not the newbies who are thin skinned about their own critique but thin skinned when they see critique of someone else's work which may not involve entirely blowing sunshine off the poster's arse.

Very rarely do I see the original poster not appreciate honest critique, however harsh (it happens). What I see more often is that someone posts a negative critique and the "E-For-Effort/Everyone Farts Rainbows" crowd jumps on the person giving the critique.

 

[abraxas]

My observations lately indicate it's not the newbies who are thin skinned about their own critique but thin skinned when they see critique of someone else's work which may not involve entirely blowing sunshine off the poster's arse.

Very rarely do I see the original poster not appreciate honest critique, however harsh (it happens). What I see more often is that someone posts a negative critique and the "E-For-Effort/Everyone Farts Rainbows" crowd jumps on the person giving the critique.

I know a professional photographer that retired a few years ago that told me if I wanted to progress as a photographer, I should forget about the internet forums and develop my work on my own according to what I felt is right. Other than the social and entertainment aspects, the dude was right. The web is frought with wierdness and people with issues.

I've felt better about my work doing so, and am not only loathe to give critique, but reserve the right to criticise my critics. They ought not be so thin-skinned. I learn more admiring the work of my 'heroes' and doing my own research, reading and judging my own experiments. Certainly I like encouragement, and I can tell the purely social comments, but I like having friends, however virtual some of them might be. The web is entertainment. I do learn from it though, but not like some people seem to demand. One of the most valuable things I've learned on the web regarding photography is the following, "My camera, my vision, my rules." (and 'thank you' you know who you are).

 

[kundalini]

"My camera, my vision, my rules." (and 'thank you' you know who you are).

Yeah, I like that one too.