I live in a very visually boring place

[rexbobcat]

And I thought I was pessimistic.

 

[unpopular]

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excuses.

If you want to go on a road trip, start saving. PERIOD. Saying, no whining, I don't have the money, is getting no where fast.

And if I ever EVER stop dreaming and wanting for things I've yet to obtain, well someone just shoot me.

Yes excuses. Though not all excuses are invalid.

Don't be silly. It all comes down to priorities.
Do you have an iphone? Sell it.
Do you have cable tv? Cancel it.
Do you have a gas guzzler? Trade it in.
Do you eat out? Stop.
If you want to......there is money to be saved. :greenpbl:

iPhones, gas guzzlers, eating out? i think i know exactly what background this niave argument is coming from. yes it comes down to priorities, perhaps I should stop buying my child clothing so I can get a a new dslr.

Not all priorities are so malleable.

 

[mishele]

^^^Please do tell where my naive argument comes from.

 

[unpopular]

from someone who doesn't ride the bus

 

[mishele]

I came from a lower middle class family. I watched my parents struggle through a great deal after losing their factory jobs . They taught me that sacrifices pay off.
Is that what you had in mind?

Priorities are priorities. Iphones are not exactly the same as your child's clothes......lol

 

[unpopular]

Well. My wife has read one study that says that everybody claims they are from a middle class background.

My point though (and this has NOTHING to do with you, Rose) is that nobody knows the circumstances people face. Someone posting could be lucky to have a point and shoot which they bought at goodwill. They could be disabled and homeless and on a four year waitlist for housing. They could be using the library for internet access. Maybe they've just bought their first home, and spent every spare resource they have, and the only thing they have is their 1986 honda civic which they need to commute to work in order to pay the bills. Maybe they had been laid off and having to debate if they should pay the electric bill or the rent first. Maybe they've lost their house, and are living with relatives, and literally have nothing but some clothing and sentimental items of no value.

I am not being hyperbolic here. People face these conditions all the time, and saying that there is "always money" is just inconsiderate. If someone doesn't feel like can afford something, no matter how seemingly insignificant, it's very wrong to conclude on their behalf that they can or that priorities are misplaced.

 

[mishele]

You are correct w/ what you said. I was merely giving some suggestions on how to maybe put some money away for a day trip. Those things I listed were things I have done to save some money over the years.

 

[cgipson1]

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excuses.

If you want to go on a road trip, start saving. PERIOD. Saying, no whining, I don't have the money, is getting no where fast.

And if I ever EVER stop dreaming and wanting for things I've yet to obtain, well someone just shoot me.

Yes excuses. Though not all excuses are invalid.

Don't be silly. It all comes down to priorities.
Do you have an iphone? Sell it.
Do you have cable tv? Cancel it.
Do you have a gas guzzler? Trade it in.
Do you eat out? Stop.
If you want to......there is money to be saved. :greenpbl:

iPhones, gas guzzlers, eating out? i think i know exactly what background this niave argument is coming from. yes it comes down to priorities, perhaps I should stop buying my child clothing so I can get a a new dslr.

Not all priorities are so malleable.

I disagree with the "Naive Argument" comment!

Gas Guzzlers are stupid.. huge, and a waste of time and money. They pollute more, and do a lot more damage in an accident to other vehicles. If you drive something smaller, you get better miles per gallon.. if you can double the mileage you were getting in a gas guzzler.. you just saved 50% of the cash you would have spent. Significant!

Iphones and other electronic "toys" are a luxury... if you spend money on those, you shouldn't WHINE about not having enough money to do things. Very few people even utilize a "smart" phone in a manner that comes close to using its potential!

Eating out is ridiculously expensive.. and usually not very healthy. Cooking at home.. can save a lot of money, and be MUCH more healthy.

Cable TV.. most of the programming is mind-numbing.. and millions of people just plop in front of the TV and just play like they are brain dead every night.... watching the garbage that the studios put out as "entertainment"! They would be better off reading, or spending "real" time with their families and freinds. At anywhere from $70 to $200 a month.. it is definitely a expense that most people would be better off without.

How is any of that coming from a "Naive" background?

Clothing for you CHILD is a necessity.. none of the above is... so don't be ridiculous!

 

[unpopular]

^^ it came across as naive because it seems to assume that those things are available to sell in the first place.

eugh. anyway. this has gone on too long. I made another comment: "the problem with road trips is that the perfect photo is always 100 miles away" - can we discuss this statement to try to get this discussion back on track?

 

[ababysean]

My first car was a 1986 Honda Civic!

Either way, no one is telling you not to get clothes for your kid. Do you buy them off season? I have to. Clothing would BREAK us. 3 kids. when a pair of pants is 40 dollars and they wear it for like 2 months....

I buy winter in the summer and summer stuff in the winter. I never pay more then 5 dollars for my kids items, well that is a lie, I do splurg from time to time, but general basics are bought off season...

I am not saying go to Vegas tomorrow, I am saying if you want to go someday (or where ever, or whatever you want) put a jar beside your bed and put coins in it when you have the change... Transfer 2 dollars from your checking to your savings once a month...

We all got struggles. Period.

 

[unpopular]

^^ or we could sell my wife's ipad

That comment was for illustrative purposes only. But no. We don't have a lot of money at all. Lo is finishing up her prelaw, i'm on disability. But we live pretty comfortably - like mishele said: priorities.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

"the problem with road trips is that the perfect photo is always 100 miles away" - can we discuss this statement to try to get this discussion back on track?

I disagree. What you don't see, is unknown. Also, I don't believe it's about chasing the "perfect" photo. It's about capturing the best you can where ever you are. It's about finding things where you are, that you wouldn't ever get, had you not gone.

The topic changed from the "this place is visually boring" hogwash, to "I want what I don't have (to travel)" whine fest.
The latter never ends. You will always want more, or to do more.
I guess if you want to be a landscape photographer, and don't like your location, can't make the best of your location, and you can't travel, you should shift your priorities. If that is not an option, well, sucks to be you, no?

 

[unpopular]

"the problem with road trips is that the perfect photo is always 100 miles away" - can we discuss this statement to try to get this discussion back on track?

I disagree. What you don't see, is unknown. Also, I don't believe it's about chasing the "perfect" photo. It's about capturing the best you can where ever you are. It's about finding things where you are, that you wouldn't ever get, had you not gone.

Exactly, but if you feel that you can't make with what you have, then you will end up always looking and never realizing that photographs are made from the photographer, and not from the subject. Always searching for that subject which will turn things around, you know?

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Exactly, but if you feel that you can't make with what you have, then you will end up always looking and never realizing that photographs are made from the photographer, and not from the subject. Always searching for that subject which will turn things around, you know?

All too true!

That's not the problem with the trip, that's the problem with the trippee.

 

[mishele]

I heard that imagination is pretty cheap these days.....