c.cloudwalker
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I totally agree that you have to start somewhere. However you also have to understand that you will NOT make any money for quite a while. Most new businesses fail because they are under-funded. The owners didn't plan enough cash to carry them long enough with very little business. When I went "pro" as an independent photojournalist, my first sale came the 8th month... and I had expenses to take care of all that time 
Some of the problem is directly related to the type of business you are starting but some is just the way it is with any new business.
I'm in the process of starting 2 companies right now. One is a retail company and is sorely needed where we are going so that it will start generating revenues very quickly. Yet our business plan (very conservative as it should be) is telling us we are going to carry the company financially for about 5 months.
The second one is a graphic design company "kinda thing" and we are expecting to carry it for about a year, even though we are going to use my address book (I know a lot of potential big spenders through my studio) to help it along. We still need to prove ourselves and it's not done overnight.
Anyway, this brings me back to the OP's question.
One of the things this 2nd company will be doing is websites... Our starting price for what is called here in France a "shop-window" site (it is a site from which you do not buy, just look at services and/or products offered) is 2,500 euros (about $3,500.) Believe it or not we are just a bit over average. Our starting price for a site from which you buy is 3,500 euros. Multiply that by 4 and we guarantee you'll be on the first page of 50% of Google searches on the subject but it also involves monthly fees for monitoring the site which are not low.
There are millions of sites, most of which are never seen by anyone other than the owner. You want to be seen, pay a pro. And I don't mean pay the cousin who does a lot of websites. I mean, do a whole lot of research into the results designers are getting.
In websites, you get what you pay for. Design your own and, if you get any return on it, it will be pure damn luck. Prices are somewhat lower in the US, by the way.
Good luck to you.

Some of the problem is directly related to the type of business you are starting but some is just the way it is with any new business.
I'm in the process of starting 2 companies right now. One is a retail company and is sorely needed where we are going so that it will start generating revenues very quickly. Yet our business plan (very conservative as it should be) is telling us we are going to carry the company financially for about 5 months.
The second one is a graphic design company "kinda thing" and we are expecting to carry it for about a year, even though we are going to use my address book (I know a lot of potential big spenders through my studio) to help it along. We still need to prove ourselves and it's not done overnight.
Anyway, this brings me back to the OP's question.
One of the things this 2nd company will be doing is websites... Our starting price for what is called here in France a "shop-window" site (it is a site from which you do not buy, just look at services and/or products offered) is 2,500 euros (about $3,500.) Believe it or not we are just a bit over average. Our starting price for a site from which you buy is 3,500 euros. Multiply that by 4 and we guarantee you'll be on the first page of 50% of Google searches on the subject but it also involves monthly fees for monitoring the site which are not low.
There are millions of sites, most of which are never seen by anyone other than the owner. You want to be seen, pay a pro. And I don't mean pay the cousin who does a lot of websites. I mean, do a whole lot of research into the results designers are getting.
In websites, you get what you pay for. Design your own and, if you get any return on it, it will be pure damn luck. Prices are somewhat lower in the US, by the way.
Good luck to you.