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By the way, has anyone been watching John Adams on HBO? Or read the book? I read the book a couple of years ago and I have been watching the HBO special. Great stuff.

Hey Los Angeles, that would be a great learning tool for you. It shows exactly why we have our rights in this country and what our founding fathers went through to procure them for us. The show really is excellent as well as the book.
 
Stop living in fear.

I wouldnt say being cautious, or even overly-cautious is living in fear. Im not going to just assume everyone is "good" and wont harm my child. I would rather be safe then sorry. I was raped as a teenager, so maybe that has made me more sensitive to it...I dont know. But some FEAR is good...otherwise you are just naive and living in a fairytale. If I didnt have SOME fear, I wouldnt carry a gun with me everywhere...including parks. So saying to stop living in fear sounds kind of senseless to me.

With that said, the fact that a public park isnt allowing adults in without kids is pretty stupid to me. Being a PUBLIC park, doesnt that mean anyone has a right to be there?
 
I wouldnt say being cautious, or even overly-cautious is living in fear. Im not going to just assume everyone is "good" and wont harm my child. I would rather be safe then sorry. I was raped as a teenager, so maybe that has made me more sensitive to it...I dont know. But some FEAR is good...otherwise you are just naive and living in a fairytale. If I didnt have SOME fear, I wouldnt carry a gun with me everywhere...including parks. So saying to stop living in fear sounds kind of senseless to me.

With that said, the fact that a public park isnt allowing adults in without kids is pretty stupid to me. Being a PUBLIC park, doesnt that mean anyone has a right to be there?

Sounds like you aren't afraid, you are aware. Living with awareness and a willingness to react is much different than living in fear, IMO.
 
Yeah, Sarah, the park thing sounds crazy to me, too.

Is that your feet in your avatar?
 
I heard about that park ban, but cannot find any info anywhere online,

I think its basically un-enforceable as it goes against basic civil rights. I guess if its private land its different, but a ban like that on a public park the ACLU will sue them until they overturn it.

This has been tried before in new york and overturned in a brief time period in and around the subways. Also nobody actually got any real charges for defying it cause it was not a proper amemdment to the law. They just got turned away mostly, or heavily questioned. some were detained or taken in but released a short time later, then they made lawsuits.

I would expect the same to (rightfully) happen here,as once again you shouldnt be run off a public park for doing something like taking pictures, the ban would be eventually ruled unconstitutional after enough people collect checks from the police station, just wait itll happen.

Dont get me wrong, I am very protective of my child, and I am an eagle eye, I can spot someone at a great distance and tell what they are doing. Im smart enough to know the real danger is the cars parked in the parkng lot ;not guys out shooting nature.

I would save my paranoia and only call the cops if someone was actually following me around for more then 5 minutes and also taking pictures of my daughter the whole time, which just doesnt happen in the real world.

or If I saw someone sitting in a car taking pics of people for more then 10-15 minutes. I might have the cops check it out, but at that point im pretty sure something is up.

Have I in years of photographing at nature areas or parks ever seen someone who fits all of the criteria to actually get me paranoid. NO.

Once again everyone needs to stop watching so much CSI and TV, and thinking a guy with a camera automatically = something suspisious. If you really think everyone with a camera is a terrorist or ped then stay inside its safer...:sexywink:
 
Sorry I am new to Flickr and did not know I had to change the photo to Public....


http://www.flickr.com/photos/25076757@N03/2366649018/?edited=1


note the sign on the right it reads

"RESTRICTED
CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA ONLY
ADULTS WITHOUT CHILDREN PROHIBITED
LAMC 63.44 B-7. PC 653g"


Is this a private area, belonging to a home onwer's association type thing? Also, I note that it says "Children's Play Area", and does not describe it as a park. Just curious as to what exactly this is and how they justify the exemption of adults without children. If this is a public park area, I cannot imagine that someone, like the ACLU, has not already challenged this.
 
Is this public or private ? I cant tell.

Looks kind of like they only want the kids on the equipment, not 18 year olds hogging the swings just listening to ipods while the kids watch.

CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA ONLY , kind of seems like they mean the sandbox and equipment. Makes sense to me. Maybe im wrong id like to see that law on the books....

anyone else know more about these?
 
Is this public or private ? I cant tell.

Looks kind of like they only want the kids on the equipment, not 18 year olds hogging the swings just listening to ipods while the kids watch.


CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA ONLY , kind of seems like they mean the sandbox and equipment. Makes sense to me. Maybe im wrong id like to see that law on the books....

anyone else know more about these?

that what I was thinking too...they dont want teenagers hanging off of it all and keeping the kids away, or braking anything...:scratch:
 
It looks like from their site that the do not want adults without children in the children's play area only.

The rest of the park is welcome to adults I would assume, since they have adult sports programs.

I don't necessarily agree with this, but I don't think its that they don't want adults at the park at all, just this small area of the park.
 
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