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NEVER shot a wedding...jump in head first and charge nothing?

If you are doing it for free i don't see the point of doing it

i believe in her post she mentioned doing it for her portfolio. other possible reason too though.
maybe for the experience.
maybe she thinks she will enjoy doing it.
maybe to help out a coworker/friend.

doing the wedding for free might not be the best business move, but I think it is far from pointless.
 
so long as it's an open bar... :)


although, it really does seem like a LOT of work without any sort compensation or than some *hopeful* portfolio shots.
 
so long as it's an open bar... :)


although, it really does seem like a LOT of work without any sort compensation or than some *hopeful* portfolio shots.

I guess my thing would be if this thing goes south, and man there are just so many ways this thing could go south it's not even funny, your stuck with a co-worker that will hate you till his/her dying day. Not worth the risk IMHO, not just for a few shots to put in a portfolio. If this were a friend of a friend deal that would be one thing, but somebody you work with everyday? Yup, just got nightmare written all over it.. lol
 
I'm an experienced photographer and have done sports, events etc. but weddings involve specific skills and techniques and planning. If I wanted to do a wedding which is unlikely since my first thought was - run far, run fast... I'd find a photographer that I could observe and assist if I wanted to give it a try and get some experience. It's not just having a portfolio, you need to know how to produce good results consistently.

As mentioned it's not your responsibility; it's nice to be asked but it's up to them to budget for all their expenses and if they want the wedding photographed then that should get worked into their budget.

This type thing gets posted so often I'm starting to feel like it's almost an insult - as a photographer I've put a lot of time and my ability and effort into what I do, I'm sure that any good wedding photographer has done the same. For whatever reason sometimes people seem to think that any friend with a camera can photograph a wedding; maybe the best thing you can do is offer to take some candids at the reception just for fun and suggest they find a pro to photograph the ceremony. There aren't any do-overs with this.
 
I'm an experienced photographer and have done sports, events etc. but weddings involve specific skills and techniques and planning. If I wanted to do a wedding which is unlikely since my first thought was - run far, run fast... I'd find a photographer that I could observe and assist if I wanted to give it a try and get some experience. It's not just having a portfolio, you need to know how to produce good results consistently.

As mentioned it's not your responsibility; it's nice to be asked but it's up to them to budget for all their expenses and if they want the wedding photographed then that should get worked into their budget.

This type thing gets posted so often I'm starting to feel like it's almost an insult - as a photographer I've put a lot of time and my ability and effort into what I do, I'm sure that any good wedding photographer has done the same. For whatever reason sometimes people seem to think that any friend with a camera can photograph a wedding; maybe the best thing you can do is offer to take some candids at the reception just for fun and suggest they find a pro to photograph the ceremony. There aren't any do-overs with this.

Well at least not until they get divorced and then plan to re-marry.. but ya, other than that, no do-over.. lol
 
One more comment:

I recently attended a wedding that hired a professional photographer. IMO, nearly everything was WRONG!

Venue was the groom's parent's house, and the ceremony was against the sun. Everybody was shading their eyes, and it was difficult to see the wedding couple due to the very poor lighting.

The photog compounded the poor lighting by posing everybody against the setting sun, and did not use flash. I have not seen her photographs, but I can't imagine that they were what I would call good.

So since nearly anybody can do better than that, I have high confidence that you will just fine.
 
I'm an experienced photographer and have done sports, events etc. but weddings involve specific skills and techniques and planning. If I wanted to do a wedding which is unlikely since my first thought was - run far, run fast... I'd find a photographer that I could observe and assist if I wanted to give it a try and get some experience. It's not just having a portfolio, you need to know how to produce good results consistently.

As mentioned it's not your responsibility; it's nice to be asked but it's up to them to budget for all their expenses and if they want the wedding photographed then that should get worked into their budget.

This type thing gets posted so often I'm starting to feel like it's almost an insult - as a photographer I've put a lot of time and my ability and effort into what I do, I'm sure that any good wedding photographer has done the same. For whatever reason sometimes people seem to think that any friend with a camera can photograph a wedding; maybe the best thing you can do is offer to take some candids at the reception just for fun and suggest they find a pro to photograph the ceremony. There aren't any do-overs with this.

Well at least not until they get divorced and then plan to re-marry.. but ya, other than that, no do-over.. lol

well, given the divorce rate here in the U.S., She actually has a pretty decent chance at getting a do-over.
 
Ok their are a few good advice here.... I don't know about you but I do photography as a hobby and as a fun professionally m a civil engineer,
If you want to do it for fun and to make her happy then do it, but at least you should have the necessary equipment.. and before you directly going in to her wedding,first take pictures of her and show her if you are ok with that i can deliver this , so that tomorrow she doesn't have any grudges that u ruined her wedding photographs if she is ok with it do it just for the fun and the hobby of it,,,, coz I would have done it like that...
But m not a pro photographer, so if u r into it for business then its a different story.....
And yeah once if she has confidence on you that you would produce great photographs she will respect you and pose for you leaving all the rest of cameras you have to earn it by photographing her before as I told
hope this helps

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I would also like to point out that it is perfectly acceptable to tell them "no" if you feel you are lacking in knowledge, skill, or equipment to do wedding photography.
just because they say they cant/wont pay for a "pro", does not make their wedding pictures your responsibility.

i appreciate that - i know myself. i'll make myself SICK because I realize how importantthis day is. My motto is - Deliver MORE than expected, if you can't - don't commit


DON'T DO IT ! If you truly want to do weddings you need to assist an experienced professional on several weddings--getting feedback and ciitiques on all your images.

That's how I started weddings 25+ years ago and weddings are STILL the most difficult and demanding of ANY of the many types of professional photography I do.

As was mentioned--there's NO UPSIDE in this situation for you.
 
Do it if you want to. It's your life.
 
Never do a wedding for free. If you think this could be a learning experience then youre not ready. Weddings are a major deal and not simple. You need to be confident in your work and abilities and if you dont think you are good enough to charge then you are not good enough to even do the event. This is not the time for a learning experiment. I only did one wedding free ever and it was for my best friends cousin that I had known for 15 years and they ended up paying me anyway cause they liked the pics so much. Now I wont do them for less than at least $500 cash and that is the friend rate. Plus if you shoot a wedding you deserve to get paid. With the shoot and the post work we are literally talking a whole two days worth of work or possibly more. Its a lot of work.
 
Go for it. Just have a contract to protect you.

And for those telling you to second shoot first, it's all find and dandy if you can land a second shooter gig but it's getting harder and harder to do so. That's not always the best first option.
 
If you are into the wedding photography for 1st time, then you should do it for free. Get feedback from your clients. If they like your work or not.
 
Lots of good (and also divergent) responses here that should prove valuable to the OP. Let me add my views to the cacophony of perspectives.

1. I also support the position of doing the first shoot for free b/c it's a way to do some learning and building a business for you. In an ideal world, you'd start by being a second shooter for a couple of weddings. But that doesn't seem to be in the cards. If you view this as an opportunity to:
--build your portfolio.
--gain some experience (which includes learning that you may never want to shoot another wedding again for the rest of your life)
--gain a reference that may help you grow your wedding business
...than consider shooting for free. And that includes giving them a DVD of the photos with some selected edits.
Yes, that's a tremendous amount of time on your part with no formal compensation. But for someone with NO wedding experience, it's a realistic way for you to confront yourself with the reality of shooting weddings and make some post-shoot decisions about what to charge and if this is something you really want to do.

2. Recognize a risk here. You may piss off a co-worker. She may hate the work you do and tell others that's the case. You may miss critical shots. She may show your work to your co-workers (who compare it to their own wedding portfolios and think "I'm glad I didn't use her--MY photographer was so much better."). You may get in to a fight with your co-worker who expects you to edit ALL of the 300 photos that you take...or also take portraits the week before the wedding. I'm not trying to make you insecure. I'm trying to give you a reality check about shooting weddings. I know some people where they do this professionally and it's 80-95% of their business. But they go in to it with open eyes, hard emotions and cold calculation. B/c the earlier post about under-pricing yourself is absolutely true when it comes to wedding photography.

3. Other than the "i'll shoot for free", you need to treat everything as if it were the real deal. Sign a contract. Specify what you will and won't shoot/provide, when you'll be there, how long you'll stay, when they can expect to get the edits, what form they'll be in, what they can do with the photos you give them. For instance, some bridezillas or mothers of the bride will use this as opportunity to get family portraits of everyone in the family "okay, now let's get all the grandkids together, just the grandkids...okay, now let's get just Grandpa and Grandma...." and expect you to shoot 150 photos which do NOT include the bride and groom but other family members posing. I'd argue that the most challenging role for good wedding photographers isn't the photography, it's the contractural/expectation managing business. And if the arrangement you end up with is: you shoot for free or maybe a steak dinner and they don't demand anything of you and are grateful for what you give them, then you both got cheated and it's not really a learning experience for you. Treat this like a real, serious, paying gig involving $10k (except there's no money). And at the end, you won't undervalue your services in the future and you'll know if you really want to be a wedding photographer. If you view this as it's practice and isn't a real job, you'll unconsciously devote less time and effort to the edits (or won't do any edits), you won't sweat the details. And if you do the free trade with that mindset, you'll get a set of results that look like (maybe) they were shot by a well-meaning amateur who just happened to show up...and that isn't going to get you future business (except from someone who offers you $150 to shoot their wedding...but only if you include a CD of all the photos...edited!). I'm serious about this. You need to treat this like it's a real, serous, big-time paying gig with someone who is connected politically/socially and can bring you in dozes of clients at $10k a pop...except that you make no money from this gig. You need to set deadlines with the client, do a pre-wedding visit, talk to the wedding planner, think through your wardrobe and equipment, create a shot sequence list, have backup plans, have a portrait station set up on site, review other wedding portfolios to get some ideas for poses and concepts and then plan on devote a huge chunk of time to edits. A big part of your learning curve here isn't the actual photography (those that's part of it), it's the managing the client and her expectations. So treat it like it's a $10k gig.

4. They're getting a wedding portfolio for free. So you should think about asking them for some things that benefit you. That might mean letting you shoot some wedding portraits. Or posing for some shots they might not have intended to shoot (such as the bride preparing or a portrait outdoors in a scenic location). There are a range of wedding styles (like shooting as a photojournalist who is telling a story, shooting artistic photos that capture a feel for an event or location but may not look like wedding shots...like rose petals in a narrow DoF or a row of glasses pre-reception) or just the standard iconic wedding cliche poses. You may want to attempt to shoot a range of different looks so you have a more diverse portfolio.

5. And what you may very well discover from the experience of all the pre-shoot work, the client management, the negotiations with the mother-of-the-bride about what gets shot is that you hate it all. In which case this will be the best TF result you could get...a clear-eyed understanding of the hassles and logistics involved with wedding photography and a decision not to get in to it and then regret the decision later. Do NOT let them say "well, b/c you're doing this for free, we'll take whatever you decide to give us." You want to get as much value from this as you can and managing the client and expectations, working through all the details and logistics is part of it. You may decide you're a great fit for wedding photography in which case this was invaluable. But in any case don't use the fee amount (or lack of one) to justify slacking off in the prep and details.
 
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sleep well my TPF buddies - I am not doing it. All your comments were well received. I appreciate your time
 

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