New Nikon 7500

[astroNikon]

dPreview has posted a 10-point (small article, small pages) comparison of the D500 versus the D7500, with some points some popel might not know about in favor of each camera. Nikon D7500 vs Nikon D500: Which is better for you?

I dunno...this looks like a good camera for the price.

Learn something new every day.

I didn't know the D500 uses XQD and UHS-II SD cards.

I thought it was only UHS-I support still. Though just checking the manual I see it there .. I guess I overlooked it. Good, I'll get one of these cards instead of XQD as my computer can support that card in the computer slot as a UHS-I, so I don't have to buy a separate XQD card reader. That is when I buy one.

The buffer is so large I haven't really pushed the camera at all nor the memory card speed. There's enough time between my short bursts (even for baseball) that the camera has plenty of time to transfer images to the UHS-I 95/90 card.

That's the major thing for my D500. It's for sports, macro, aircraft. If i'm doing something that really matters I'll be using my D750 which has dual card slots for backups etc. Which for me having a FX and DX fits. And I wouldn't mind not having a 2nd card slot for the DX .

 

[astroNikon]

Selling this camera into a shrinking DSLR market will be tough for Nikon. There's like zero innovation here, just a slapdash product stitched together from the current parts bins. The only takers will likely be the delusional upgrade-itis sufferers who fear dying in their sleep not owning one. Headslaps all round. Seems a perfect illustration of Nikon's confusion and inability to read the market.

And who exactly IS innovating the camera world? No-one really.
I get where your coming from Thom, but you pretty much say this same thing about every camera Nikon produces, and yet somehow Nikon manages to do well enough to keep making new stuff. Weird how that keeps happening.

Maybe Nikon, Canon, et all companies should just totally abandon the DSLR market
and put their energies into the Cell Phone market. That's where there's the market to grow into !!

Or maybe, since they do make DSLRs, and there *is* demand, they can continue to improve their existing models to push the feature list up, which also pushes the mirrorless makers to get better at AF, battery life, etc.

DSLRs is a market segment. Plain and simple. Nikon, Canon etc will make cameras for that market segment.
Just as Mirrorless is a market segment. Just as P&S is too, and all the other variations.

The problem is people who have been in the profession/hobbyist for years may think there's no innovation. But may not understand what engineering goes into designing a new camera.

A few years ago the naysayers were saying the D600 was *the same* as the d7000 except a FF sensor in it. I had both, and they were *not* the same exact size, etc. If one looks at teardowns of both cameras they would see that the internals were *vastly* different. Not the "same parts bin".

They do share some things just as other industries do - looks at cars and how door handles, window switches, etc are shared between platforms. If one doesn't reuse existing designs then the total cost of a totally New platform would be extremely expensive.

Shouldn't they use the same buttons from one camera to the next, if not then why not ???

Camera makers have to cater to *existing* and *new* users.
If no one bought the new cameras, then they wouldn't sell.

They are selling new cameras, therefore someone *is* buying.

The features of the D7500 is a large improvement over the d7200 if you ask me.
8fps, the big buffers differentiate it from the d7200 enough to warrant an upgrade.
And probably enough for some d500 to consider a downgrade .. I'll be keeping my d500 though but if I could get my full price back I'd do the downgrade.

 

[Designer]

They are selling new cameras, therefore someone *is* buying.

Nikon's sales are dominated by their entry-level cameras (D3xxx, D5xxx), but now they are effectively killing the enthusiast-level line. Let's see what they come up with this summer.

 

[Timppa]

I think the D7500 is not an upgrade from the D7200.
I think you now have 3 options, you go for the D7200, the D500 or for the one right down the middle, the D7500.
3 closely the same, yet different camera's. Each one made for a different kind of photographers needs.
Maybe they should have named it the D8000 to remove the confusion. But they wanted it in line with the D5, D500. so D7500 does 'sound' maybe better.

 

[astroNikon]

They are selling new cameras, therefore someone *is* buying.

Nikon's sales are dominated by their entry-level cameras (D3xxx, D5xxx), but now they are effectively killing the enthusiast-level line. Let's see what they come up with this summer.

If I'm not mistaken the D3x00 and d5x00 cameras have only one card slot and far fewer features.

Matter of fact,
keep in mind they are also competing against, for instance,

Canon 70D does 7fps, ONE SD card slot
Canon 77D - 45 pt AF, 6fps, ONE SD Card slot

they are effectively killing the enthusiast-level line.

I don't understand that statement?

 

[astroNikon]

I think the D7500 is not an upgrade from the D7200.
I think you now have 3 options, you go for the D7200, the D500 or for the one right down the middle, the D7500.
3 closely the same, yet different camera's. Each one made for a different kind of photographers needs.
Maybe they should have named it the D8000 to remove the confusion. But they wanted it in line with the D5, D500. so D7500 does 'sound' maybe better.

How?
What is the confusion?

 

[Dave442]

I think the D7500 specs show a decent camera and finally delivers and even exceeds in a few areas where this model line should have been when released.

The single card slot is fine for an enthusiast camera (my opinion) and I expect a number of enthusiasts just have one card in their D810 or D500.

 

[astroNikon]

I think the D7500 specs show a decent camera and finally delivers and even exceeds in a few areas where this model line should have been when released.

The single card slot is fine for an enthusiast camera (my opinion) and I expect a number of enthusiasts just have one card in their D810 or D500.

If my d7000 did 8fps with a larger buffer to handle the 8fps, I'd probably still have it.
Every other feature was fine for the camera until I really needed an FX camera.

 

[cgw]

Selling this camera into a shrinking DSLR market will be tough for Nikon. There's like zero innovation here, just a slapdash product stitched together from the current parts bins. The only takers will likely be the delusional upgrade-itis sufferers who fear dying in their sleep not owning one. Headslaps all round. Seems a perfect illustration of Nikon's confusion and inability to read the market.

And who exactly IS innovating the camera world? No-one really.
I get where your coming from Thom, but you pretty much say this same thing about every camera Nikon produces, and yet somehow Nikon manages to do well enough to keep making new stuff. Weird how that keeps happening.

Maybe Nikon, Canon, et all companies should just totally abandon the DSLR market
and put their energies into the Cell Phone market. That's where there's the market to grow into !!

Or maybe, since they do make DSLRs, and there *is* demand, they can continue to improve their existing models to push the feature list up, which also pushes the mirrorless makers to get better at AF, battery life, etc.

DSLRs is a market segment. Plain and simple. Nikon, Canon etc will make cameras for that market segment.
Just as Mirrorless is a market segment. Just as P&S is too, and all the other variations.

The problem is people who have been in the profession/hobbyist for years may think there's no innovation. But may not understand what engineering goes into designing a new camera.

A few years ago the naysayers were saying the D600 was *the same* as the d7000 except a FF sensor in it. I had both, and they were *not* the same exact size, etc. If one looks at teardowns of both cameras they would see that the internals were *vastly* different. Not the "same parts bin".

They do share some things just as other industries do - looks at cars and how door handles, window switches, etc are shared between platforms. If one doesn't reuse existing designs then the total cost of a totally New platform would be extremely expensive.

Shouldn't they use the same buttons from one camera to the next, if not then why not ???

Camera makers have to cater to *existing* and *new* users.
If no one bought the new cameras, then they wouldn't sell.

They are selling new cameras, therefore someone *is* buying.

The features of the D7500 is a large improvement over the d7200 if you ask me.
8fps, the big buffers differentiate it from the d7200 enough to warrant an upgrade.
And probably enough for some d500 to consider a downgrade .. I'll be keeping my d500 though but if I could get my full price back I'd do the downgrade.

Foaming-at-the-mouth fanboy denial isn't much of a rejoinder. The DSLR market, however many segments you consider, isn't exactly robust. Talked this morning with veteran sales people at three downtown Toronto camera stores and all expressed varying degrees of bafflement with the D7500. None saw it as an easy sell, especially with the D7200 discounted. It will suit some perfectly but won't sell to as wide a market as the D7200. Not owning one will cost me(and I suspect many others)no sleep.

And probably enough for some d500 to consider a downgrade .. I'll be keeping my d500 though but if I could get my full price back I'd do the downgrade.

Hilarious! And just more evidence that GAS deserves a place in DSM-5.

 

[greybeard]

I personally like the specs of the new D7500. Kind of like taking the best of the D750 and D500. I've been looking for a crop frame update for my d7000. The d7500 may well be it.

 

[DarkShadow]

Ok a D7100 to a D7200 was not big upgrade other then the improved buffer as far as I know.The D7200 to the D7500 according to specs is certainly an upgrade 6fps to 8 fps is noticeable and a deeper raw buffer if you hold down the shutter its going to be noticeable and the tilting touch screen if it allows tap to zoom on photos 100 percent and finger swipe viewing photos is a very nice upgrade. Using the control rocker pad to move the photo around from side to side up or down is so tedious slow and dated so bravo for this upgrade.

 

[Solarflare]

fuji did that with half of their cameras too... cant get a battery grip for my x-e1 or x-a1, just the x-t and x-pro line.

Only the X-T1 and X-T2 have battery grips.

Neither the X-Pro1 nor the X-Pro2 have one. Thats because holding a rangefinder-style camera in portrait orientation is quite uncomfortable.

Nor do the X-E1, X-E2 or X-E2s. For the same reason, for even if they dont have an OVF like the X-Pro, they still have the EVF in the same place.

The X-T10 and the upcoming X-T20 dont have battery grips either, at least to my best knowledge.

The X-A1, X-A2, X-A3 as well as the X-M1 and the upcoming X-A10 dont even have a viewfinder, so of course they wont get something advanced, like battery, grip either.

with nikon, i imagine a third party option will surface at some point. wish it would with fuji.

Such "solutions" are pretty ... welll ... useless, IMHO.

 

[pixmedic]

fuji did that with half of their cameras too... cant get a battery grip for my x-e1 or x-a1, just the x-t and x-pro line.

Only the X-T1 and X-T2 have battery grips.

Neither the X-Pro1 nor the X-Pro2 have one. Thats because holding a rangefinder-style camera in portrait orientation is quite uncomfortable.

Nor do the X-E1, X-E2 or X-E2s. For the same reason, for even if they dont have an OVF like the X-Pro, they still have the EVF in the same place.

The X-T10 and the upcoming X-T20 dont have battery grips either, at least to my best knowledge.

The X-A1, X-A2, X-A3 as well as the X-M1 and the upcoming X-A10 dont even have a viewfinder, so of course they wont get something advanced, like battery, grip either.

with nikon, i imagine a third party option will surface at some point. wish it would with fuji.

Such "solutions" are pretty ... welll ... useless, IMHO.

Third party options are useless?
Tamron and sigma sales say otherwise.
Same with pocket wizard and yongnuo.
And neewer.

Dude, third party options DRIVE the entry level market.
Tamron and sigma have significantly upped there games over the last few years BECAUSE there is such a large market for it.

Battery grips might just not be popular enough. My neewer battery grip did just as well as my Nikon one when using oem batteries. I had a number of them over half a dozen camera bodies.
Very far from useless, in my personal experience of actually having several oem and third party grips.

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[astroNikon]

If your style and uses for a battery grip is useful, then it's useful.
If you don't need one, then you don't need one.

Using absolutes that all 3rd party things are useless is as useful as watching a group of circus gorillas parachuting out of a plane while peeling bananas.

 

[Designer]

they are effectively killing the enthusiast-level line.
I don't understand that statement?

Instead of producing a true upgrade to the D7200 (enthusiast level) they made what appears to be an expensive entry-level unit. Albeit with the D500 engine, but without the Ai- Ai-S indexing ring, no second card slot, no back-button focus. Where's the enthusiast model?

Keeping all the numbers in numerical order, there is the D3xxx and D5xxx, (entry level, both) then at the enthusiast level there is the D7200 (still in production) and now the step-down version of the D500 (the new D7500) then the real D500, which I think is in the "pro" level. And the pro level continues upward from there. If the D7200 is ever discontinued, there will be nothing to fill the gap because the D7500 doesn't.