NEX 7 at 3200iso

[kassad]

Look, quit being an ass. I took those photos as examples of the high ISO of the 60D. And earlier you said that technology makes the photographer. Or atleast that's what I inferred from your mockery.

And you didn't take any of those photos. I'm almost certain of it. Or atleast, I haven't seen anything spectacular out of you. That's all I'm saying, bro.

PS: The A100 or whatever the fck the first Sony DSLR was had an AF that was set up horribly. It's not my fault if it's taken Sony like 6-7 years to develop useable SLR technology that has been around for decades. I think I'll stick with Sony for my gaming needs, and leave the photography equipment to the professionals.

That's all, bro.

Do you have a source for you last statement?

Eye Start AF
Eye Start AF isn't anything new to previous Minolta SLR owners but Sony are obviously keen to continue its use. On the A100 Eye Start AF does exactly what it says, when the sensor detects the proximity of your eye to the eyepiece it begins to auto focus and remains in 'continuous' auto focus until the shutter release is half-pressed or you put the camera down. In reality this means that the camera is likely to have an approximate focus on the subject before shutter release.

Sony Alpha DSLR-A100 Review: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review

Unfortunately, the model that my last employer had would never stop continuously focusing even if the shutter button was pressed down. It would act like it had locked focus, and then if you moved the camera too much it would "refocus." Maybe it was just a bad copy, or old. Either way, it sucked.

In my opinion, it was just another gimmick that apparently crossed over from the Minolta era (which went over wonderfully as you can tell), which has no other use than to help lazy photogs who can't muster the strength to press the shutter button to AF. But it's w/e to me. I never had to touch that camera again, lol.

Interesting, I've never had any troubles like your describing with my camera. Not that I would consider the AF in my a350 stellar but it does do the job. The a700 and newer cameras seem to have much better AF systems.

 

[cosmonaut]

Look, quit being an ass. I took those photos as examples of the high ISO of the 60D. And earlier you said that technology makes the photographer. Or atleast that's what I inferred from your mockery.

And you didn't take any of those photos. I'm almost certain of it. Or atleast, I haven't seen anything spectacular out of you. That's all I'm saying, bro.

PS: The A100 or whatever the fck the first Sony DSLR was had an AF that was set up horribly. It's not my fault if it's taken Sony like 6-7 years to develop useable SLR technology that has been around for decades. I think I'll stick with Sony for my gaming needs, and leave the photography equipment to the professionals.

That's all, bro.

Do you have a source for you last statement?

Eye Start AF
Eye Start AF isn't anything new to previous Minolta SLR owners but Sony are obviously keen to continue its use. On the A100 Eye Start AF does exactly what it says, when the sensor detects the proximity of your eye to the eyepiece it begins to auto focus and remains in 'continuous' auto focus until the shutter release is half-pressed or you put the camera down. In reality this means that the camera is likely to have an approximate focus on the subject before shutter release.

Sony Alpha DSLR-A100 Review: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review

Unfortunately, the model that my last employer had would never stop continuously focusing even if the shutter button was pressed down. It would act like it had locked focus, and then if you moved the camera too much it would "refocus." Maybe it was just a bad copy, or old. Either way, it sucked.

In my opinion, it was just another gimmick that apparently crossed over from the Minolta era (which went over wonderfully as you can tell), which has no other use than to help lazy photogs who can't muster the strength to press the shutter button to AF. But it's w/e to me. I never had to touch that camera again, lol.

I could say the same for the High end Canon and Nikon shooters that have to have 50+ focusing points and a buffer bigger than any card they can buy with dual CF cards that spray and pray and then come home and have to weed thru 100's of files hoping they got something to work with or HDR shooters that take seven crappy shots and let the computer make them a well exposed one because they can't do it right in the field.. When if they had taken the time to learn how to do things right to start with. Just sayin'

 

[cosmonaut]

Plus, at least Sony and Olympus are smart enough to think outside the box. Olympus invented the mirrorless camera, in body IS, dust removal ect. Now common place in many cameras. Name me one earth shattering new idea Nikon or Canon has came out with recently. You can drive the car or ride in the back. Your choice.

 

[bentcountershaft]

To be fair it did sound like you were lumping sony's live view in with the live view from other manufactures. I'm not sure if I would call sony's system better, but it is faster and doesn't have the potential heat issues that can arise with other manufactures.

Looking back I guess I did make that clear as mud. Sorry. When I asked about active cooling on the Sony I wasn't trolling or anything though, I'm genuinely curious what they've done to overcome that problem.

No problem. Sony uses a second mini sensor to handle the live view in the SLR models (not sure about SLTs) It allows you to use faster phase detect autofocus in live view. The newer models also allow for contrast detect autofocus in live view. I'm not sure if that contrast detect uses the mini sensor or the main sensor. I have never heard of heat problems with the sonys other than in some of the models in video mode. The flexibilty in live view focusing combined with the tilt-able display makes for a useful tool. I don't use it much on my a350 but when I do I'm glad I have the ability.

Ok that makes sense now.

 

[mjhoward]

Plus, at least Sony and Olympus are smart enough to think outside the box.

The translucent mirror that you are touting as a SONY accomplishment, was first done by Canon... you're welcome.

Pellicle mirror - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[o hey tyler]

Plus, at least Sony and Olympus are smart enough to think outside the box.

The translucent mirror that you are touting as a SONY accomplishment, was first done by Canon... you're welcome.

Pellicle mirror - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LOLS!

 

[cosmonaut]

And it took Sony to show them how to make it work, remember the dim VFers? Sony fixed that with a EVF.

Plus, at least Sony and Olympus are smart enough to think outside the box.

The translucent mirror that you are touting as a SONY accomplishment, was first done by Canon... you're welcome.Pellicle mirror - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[o hey tyler]

And it took Sony to show them how to make it work, remember the dim VFers? Sony fixed that with a EVF.

Plus, at least Sony and Olympus are smart enough to think outside the box.

The translucent mirror that you are touting as a SONY accomplishment, was first done by Canon... you're welcome.Pellicle mirror - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think "fix" is giving too much credit. They haven't fixed much.

 

[cosmonaut]

Well I have to admit Canon makes good cameras. Their sells alone speaks for itself. But when I was shopping for a new system I really never considered Canon even with their track record. I just dont like following the crowd. Its why i dont have an Iphone. The SLT camera works fine. There is no mirror slap, the shutter is very quiet, the EVF is awesome and I am old school. Only a 1/3 stop loss. GPS, face recognition. It will pick my daughter out of a crowd of moving ballet dancers on a dim lit stage. Thats an awesome feature. With the EVF what you see in the finder is what your final image will look like. No more chimping.lol If it works, what's not to like? Focus peaking. Sony and Olympus both think out of the box. Canon needs to do something new. They are getting a little stale. The 7D is outdated.

 

[Crollo]

I just dont like following the crowd.

There isn't much of a point in being different just for the sake of being different if that's what you do, if you see something and it fits your needs, get it. Who the hell cares who it's made by?

 

[Archer]

Quite the thread. Read about half because, well, I just can't turn away from a train wreck. Ran out of steam though so jumped to the end.

Off topic observation. I frequent another forum often and there is an unwritten rule: If you can't get your point across (on a contested subject) in three posts then you bow out. Jumping someone's arse is rarely tolerated by the members or the mods. And this from a redneck Texas bowhunting forum. Go figure

Some folks are approaching 80 posts in this thread

Carry on

 

[Archer]

And Argue's posts are akin to nails on a chalkboard. Just had to get that off my chest

 

[argieramos]

I've never went against Sony in this thread. I've stayed neutral and I'm impressed with their sensor technology. But I am just stating the truth (maybe not a truth, but definitely something written online with supported pictures and facts) that live view makes the camera hot and increases noise level. Of course, you've taken cameras out of hot cars in the summer with no extra noise but have you made a comparison? I don't understand why are you comparing this 'I think a Canon has more noise because it's spelled with two Ns instead of the one in Sony' with this 'Live view makes the camera hot, which increases noise level'. If you don't believe what I said, you could always Google it. If you could find a source that proves me (or many people on the Internet) wrong, I'd be happy to admit that its my mistake. Also, another reason I'm stating that the noise comes from live view because from DxOMark's tests, the 60D and NEX 7 has similar SNR, so I suspect that the extra noise come from sensor heat. I'm not showing how smart I am.

Where in DXoMark's test that shows 60D and NEX-7 having similar SNR?

36DB at ISO 100. Go to DxOMark.com and put NEX 7 and 60D on comparison on SNR 18% with 'screen' selected. Fair enough?

Post the link on here

 

[argieramos]

DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side

Smart guy. Comparing a new camera with two old cameras.

Well, you did compare the 60D to the Nex-7

 

[argieramos]

If you think Sony's way of doing LV is the same way as Canon and Nikon do theirs, you don't know what you are talking about. Sony is doing a double sensor approach for the LV. It is better and faster.

I wasn't talking about Sony specifically, just the use of live view in general on any make.

You said Sony, didn't you? Don't bring that LV issue in here because Sony LV doesn't have any kind of issue.