Nikon=Canon

[Katier]

But direct compairisons are silly.

Not really as it's what anyone new to SLR's would have to do. It's what I did before going for the camera I did. Spent a fair amount of time comparing reviews etc.

 

[inTempus]

D3x: 1ds MK III
D3: 1d MK III

Yup, that's pretty easy to agree witih.

D700: In between 5DMI and 5DMII, closer to 5DMII

The 5D Classic is no longer made. The 5DMk2 is clearly the D700's competitor.

D300: In between 50D and 5D

The D300 is good, but it's not even close to being in the same league as a full frame sensor camera (5D). Plus, it's hard to compete with a model that's no longer made and is only available on the used market.

D90: 40D

Yeah, but the 40D is on the way out and the T1i is on the way in. The 40D is a magnesium framed prosumer whereas the D90 is a plastic framed consumer. This, in my view is similar to comparing crop sensor cameras to full frame cameras... not in the same class. The closest Canon had until the T1i to compete with the D90 was the XSi. Granted, the D90 smoked it, but the T1i will level the playing field.

D80: XSI
D70: XTI
D60: XS

We're really splitting hairs here, but I would mostly agree.

D40: XT

I don't think Canon has a direct competitor to the D40 that's still in production. The D40 is a digital dinosaur.

 

[inTempus]

You folks keep trying to compair older cameras with new models....why. The D90 and 40D? Nope. The 40D is more like the D200 if you have to compair. The D90 is what Canon produced the 500D for. Nikon's Dxx and Canon's xxxD are in the same grouping if you ask me. A two year old camera cannot be compaired to a very recent release....it just doesn't make sense.

Can't argue with that.

 

[LuckySo-n-So]

Wow. Didn't expect all that. Like I said in the original post, I just wanted a way to know what the similar cameras were. Didn't mean to start a Nikon v. Canon war...but I think we pulled away from the brink of war.

Now, if you want a war, let's talk PS3 v. XBOX360..... (no, not really, let's not....)

 

[inTempus]

Wow. Didn't expect all that. Like I said in the original post, I just wanted a way to know what the similar cameras were. Didn't mean to start a Nikon v. Canon war...but I think we pulled away from the brink of war.

Now, if you want a war, let's talk PS3 v. XBOX360..... (no, not really, let's not....)

Why would you say that? I don't see one post in this thread where someone said X kicks rear-end and Y sucks. I see disagreement on which model competes with with model, but nothing even close to resembling a brand war.

 

[MrLogic]

The argument is that the 50D is a magnesium framed prosumer whereas the D90 is a plastic framed consumer model similar to the Rebels.

The D90 is certainly a cut above the Rebel, but it's not a 50D. The T1i sports the same features as the D90 with more megapixels (15.1 vs. 12.9), higher ISO (12800 vs 6400), higher resolution HD video (1080 vs 720), etc. The T1i also is all plastic. I would say even though it's yet to hit the streets, it's the D90's direct competitor.

Yes, but a 15MP APS-C sensor isn't necessarily a good thing. The 50D wasn't exactly a home run for Canon. Glad you like it, though.

By the way, "higher ISO" doesn't mean a whole lot. ISO 6400 from the 50D is already disastrous.

 

[inTempus]

Yes, but a 15MP APS-C sensor isn't necessarily a good thing. The 50D wasn't exactly a home run for Canon. Glad you like it, though.

They sell the 50D like hotcakes. You may think they suck when reading about them on primarily Nikon forums, but if you venture over to the Canon forums you'll find lots and lots of pro-50D posts and plenty of quite happy users.

My 50D's days are numbered. It will likely be sold here soon as I'll probably not use it much anymore. But it's still a phenomenal camera, one which I would still gladly take over a D90.

As for 15mp on a APS-C, let's see what Nikon does with the D400. Do you think they'll stick with 12mp or bump it? I honestly don't know... but the MP race seems to be inevitable.

By the way, "higher ISO" doesn't mean a whole lot. ISO 6400 from the 50D is already disastrous.

True, but "disastrous" 6400 ISO isn't something unique to the 50D as you imply. Actually, I've ran ISO 6400 images through Noise Ninja and gotten very good results. So if you need that 6400 or more, and it means getting the shot or not getting it... I would rather have that "disastrous" option and worry about PP then to not getting the shot at all.

 

[Marc Kurth]

.......Actually, I've ran ISO 6400 images through Noise Ninja and gotten very good results.

I would love to see some of those posted in a decent size to evaluate.

 

[inTempus]

I would love to see some of those posted in a decent size to evaluate.

You mean you want to pixel peep 6400 ISO shots? Or do you mean you want to see 5x7 type print size?

 

[inTempus]

Here's a completely unedited ISO 6400 shot with the 50D (exif is in tact). I shot this while bored a couple of weeks ago in a hotel room for another thread about ISO 6400 and the 50D.

You can see the noise in the darker areas and the shadow areas, but it's hardly unusable.

Here's the same shot after being ran through Noise Ninja.

 

[JustAnEngineer]

Wow. Didn't expect all that. Like I said in the original post, I just wanted a way to know what the similar cameras were. Didn't mean to start a Nikon v. Canon war...but I think we pulled away from the brink of war.

This thread was clearly baiting that war from the very first post.

 

[Montana]

Not really as it's what anyone new to SLR's would have to do. It's what I did before going for the camera I did. Spent a fair amount of time comparing reviews etc.

You missed the whole enchalada. The thread is not about compairing features or specs of the cameras, it is about seeing which nikkon matches which Canon in the lineup. LOL

 

[Marc Kurth]

You mean you want to pixel peep 6400 ISO shots? Or do you mean you want to see 5x7 type print size?

Nope, not a pixel peeper - a hands on shooter. I see no problem with your unprocessed shot considering the ISO and a crop sensor. As an old film guy, I still say that folks are too hung up on noise

Thanks for popping those up - good to see.

Marc

 

[MrLogic]

They sell the 50D like hotcakes.

I wouldn't know, but I highly doubt it. If the camera rankings on Flickr.com are any indication, the far more expensive 5D MK II may actually sell (much?) better than the 50D. It has already surpassed it, albeit barely, as a more popular* camera on that website.

* (avg. daily users)

You may think they suck when reading about them on primarily Nikon forums, but if you venture over to the Canon forums you'll find lots and lots of pro-50D posts and plenty of quite happy users.

I don't think they suck -- I'm actually considering buying a used one myself.

True, but "disastrous" 6400 ISO isn't something unique to the 50D as you imply.

Didn't mean to imply that it was.

 

[inTempus]

The 5D MarkII is absolutely crazy popular... Its sales numbers are unprecedented, especially given the economic climate. Ironically, the improvements from the 5D to the 5D Mark II are about the same as the improvements from the 40D to the 50D, although I would argue the IQ of the 5D MarkII is noticably better than its predecessor whereas the 50D's IQ is arguably only as good, some say a little worse, than its predecessor.

But again, if you doubt what I say regarding the popularity and preception of the 50D on the Canon forums, pop over and take a look: Canon EOS Digital Cameras - Canon Digital Photography Forums