Nikon D5100 problems

[marcdax]

@ anfibil :
So you do those photo's with your first DSLR ? A nikon D5100 with kitlens ? 18-55 ?.
and those pictures in less than 4 months by reading a manual ?
And what camera did you have before this ?

my 2 cents :
1. If I look at your Facebookpictures from a few months earlier.....
2. I showed them to a guy who's an photographystudent (and not in his first year) , he told me that either your a prodigy - natural born talent or ????
He also told me that the filters you use , it's almost impossible to learn/master that in 4 months.
3. If they should be lucky shots , you have way to many

 

[MTVision]

@ anfibil :
So you do those photo's with your first DSLR ? A nikon D5100 with kitlens ? 18-55 ?.
and those pictures in less than 4 months by reading a manual ?
And what camera did you have before this ?

my 2 cents :
1. If I look at your Facebookpictures from a few months earlier.....
2. I showed them to a guy who's an photographystudent (and not in his first year) , he told me that either your a prodigy - natural born talent or ????
He also told me that the filters you use , it's almost impossible to learn/master that in 4 months.
3. If they should be lucky shots , you have way to many

Have you let your friend play with your camera to see what they think??

 

[marcdax]

@ Megan , so was my answer on your F/11 correct ?

- What I also wanted to know , my former lenses didn't have VR.
If i focus on something (with VR on) and i move my camera up or down i hear like a click , is this normal ?

- could someone please tell me I'm right :
I'm on A mode (aperture)
I see something and i set my A on F/5 (on my lens this is one of the biggest , so whole lot of light coming in) , small DOF. The camera comes and give me this (let's say iso is on auto for this example)
F/5 - 1/30 - iso 800
ergo
- to have a faster shutter I have to set my iso higher , cause my A cant go lower.(and i need 1/50 or double to be safe)
- If i set my Iso myself f.e. 400 , I presume i cant give me an shutter of 1/125 because i've set my iso myself ? (or am i wrong here ?)

 

[marcdax]

Have you let your friend play with your camera to see what they think??

No , if he had lived more closeby i could/would have done that , but he's not in the neighbourhood.

 

[MTVision]

@ Megan , so was my answer on your F/11 correct ?

- What I also wanted to know , my former lenses didn't have VR.
If i focus on something (with VR on) and i move my camera up or down i hear like a click , is this normal ?

- could someone please tell me I'm right :
I'm on A mode (aperture)
I see something and i set my A on F/5 (on my lens this is one of the biggest , so whole lot of light coming in) , small DOF. The camera comes and give me this (let's say iso is on auto for this example)
F/5 - 1/30 - iso 800
ergo
- to have a faster shutter I have to set my iso higher , cause my A cant go lower.(and i need 1/50 or double to be safe)
- If i set my Iso myself f.e. 400 , I presume i cant give me an shutter of 1/125 because i've set my iso myself ? (or am i wrong here ?)

Yes. More will be in focus. I'm not sure if you should hear a click. I'd have to check and I'm not near my camera. One thing about VR - if using a tripod you need to turn it off.

Raising your ISO will give you a faster shutter speed. You can also use exposure compensation. If you set your shutter speed faster and the meter says its underexposed by a couple stops you can use exposure compensation +2 instead of raising your ISO. Aperture/shutter priority probably tries to 0 out the meter which doesn't always work for every scene. That's what is great about manual mode. You can set it so your meter isn't right on 0. Some scenes will need a stop or 2 above/below the meter.

You should set your ISO last though. Keep it at a base number like 400. Try to get a correct exposure with a fast enough shutter speed. Then raise ISO or exposure compensation.

 

[fjrabon]

this is the thread that never ends, it goes on and on my friends, somebody started it, not knowing what it was, and it'll keep on going forever just because...

 

[Rephargotohp]

It's like listening to a Physics argument on a little yellow bus

 

[anfibil]

@ anfibil :
So you do those photo's with your first DSLR ? A nikon D5100 with kitlens ? 18-55 ?.
and those pictures in less than 4 months by reading a manual ?
And what camera did you have before this ?

my 2 cents :
1. If I look at your Facebookpictures from a few months earlier.....
2. I showed them to a guy who's an photographystudent (and not in his first year) , he told me that either your a prodigy - natural born talent or ????
He also told me that the filters you use , it's almost impossible to learn/master that in 4 months.
3. If they should be lucky shots , you have way to many

Yes... correct. Actually some of the later images were taken with a new lens I just bought (Tokina 12-24) but most were taken with the kit lens indeed.
Before this camera I had nothing

I'm not sure what you mean by "facebook pictures" and "filters that are hard to master". And there were many pictures that I took and that didn't look nice at all. I'm no prodigy haha.

 

[EchoingWhisper]

It does matter when you're in a fast changing situation. Even if you aren't in a fast changing situation, you'll set your aperture and your shutter speed to take care of motion blur and depth of field, and let noise take care of itself. Even if you weren't on auto ISO, you'll eventually need to increase the ISO right? If you worry about high ISOs, simply make the aperture larger or make the shutter speed slower. Simple? KenRockwell shoots with auto ISO too! Anyway, this was just a suggestion to help the OP. Setting Auto ISO on manual is actually like Aperture+ShutterSpeed Priority. Why do you shoot Aperture Priority? Why do you shoot Shutter Speed priority?

Also, one thing, when shooting auto ISO in manual mode, you don't have exposure compensation though, so your pictures might turn out not the way you want, but the metering technology is so good nowadays you need not worry.

How is shooting auto ISO going to help the OP? You said as long as you know what shutter speed and aperture your ISO won't be too high. Well, since the OP doesn't know what settings to use how will this help him? It won't. He was shooting on auto ISO and it wasn't working for him.
Ken Rockwell isn't the best person to take advice from. And exposure compensation does work on auto ISO.

If you worry about high ISO then set the ISO yourself - how is changing the aperture or shutter speed any different or less time consuming then changing ISO? ISO isn't like aperture/shutter priority. ISO can have a negative effect on the image - more so for a newbie!

Oops, exposure compensation works, but you must go through the menu. Yea, but if you read before, I taught the OP to set aperture on maximum and shutter speed at 1/focal length then ISO on auto, in this case, it works.

 

[MTVision]

Oops, exposure compensation works, but you must go through the menu. Yea, but if you read before, I taught the OP to set aperture on maximum and shutter speed at 1/focal length then ISO on auto, in this case, it works.

You don't have to go through the menu for exposure compensation on aperture/shutter priority - only manual. I still think auto ISO is a poor idea - its not any quicker then setting it yourself so IMO there is no reason to let the camera choose it.

 

[anfibil]

Oops, exposure compensation works, but you must go through the menu. Yea, but if you read before, I taught the OP to set aperture on maximum and shutter speed at 1/focal length then ISO on auto, in this case, it works.

You don't have to go through the menu for exposure compensation on aperture/shutter priority - only manual. I still think auto ISO is a poor idea - its not any quicker then setting it yourself so IMO there is no reason to let the camera choose it.

I second that. As I mentioned before, from my own experience, I have noticed that the D5100 tends to choose very high ISOs if you let it do it automatically, which is never a good idea.

 

[marcdax]

Okay , as we weren't going anywhere anymore with the topic (and that's nobody's fault !) , i went to the shop , thought it was the best thing I could do.
So in the store :
The first guy I asked said it was normal and that he didn't think it was strange. But you could tell it wasn't his cup of tea , photocameras.
So he called out the other guy.
Explained what the problem was , or what I or the camera did wrong.
And the result is : The camera
Test in the shop resulted in a high(er) Iso than he thought.
Lens from the testD5100 didnt gave a difference.
So what to find out ?
TestD5100 focus on something , iso 100 gave at F/5 an ss of 1/25 or 1/30 , mine gave 1/13 of 1/10
Greycard test : TestD5100 gave F5 , iso 100 an 1/13 and it was overexposure , mine gave with the same settings an underexposure.
So he said to bring it back so it can go to Nikon to have it looked at.
What the guy also noticed is that is focused slower than the other ones , the testD5100 was faster

Sometimes it's harder to explain through a site / internet than in real life.
But everybody thanks for the help and tips !

 

[IndyBanipal]

Also, make sure you turn off VR on your lens while shooting with a tripod!

 

[MTVision]

Okay , as we weren't going anywhere anymore with the topic (and that's nobody's fault !) , i went to the shop , thought it was the best thing I could do.
So in the store :
The first guy I asked said it was normal and that he didn't think it was strange. But you could tell it wasn't his cup of tea , photocameras.
So he called out the other guy.
Explained what the problem was , or what I or the camera did wrong.
And the result is : The camera
Test in the shop resulted in a high(er) Iso than he thought.
Lens from the testD5100 didnt gave a difference.
So what to find out ?
TestD5100 focus on something , iso 100 gave at F/5 an ss of 1/25 or 1/30 , mine gave 1/13 of 1/10
Greycard test : TestD5100 gave F5 , iso 100 an 1/13 and it was overexposure , mine gave with the same settings an underexposure.
So he said to bring it back so it can go to Nikon to have it looked at.
What the guy also noticed is that is focused slower than the other ones , the testD5100 was faster

Sometimes it's harder to explain through a site / internet than in real life.
But everybody thanks for the help and tips !

Was the same lens used on both cameras? The slow focus could be due to the lens.

 

[marcdax]

Now you ask me something .
I know he said it , but i really wouldn't know what lens was on it , I think mine.
But the lens and camera are going back as a unit , so they both can/will get checked out. But thanks for mentioning
Going to bring it back tomorrow and hopefully it comes back quickly and that they found/fixed/replaced the problem.