Nikon Z6 & Z7 fails

[Solarflare]

.people complaining for years that nikon./canon arent making mirrorless camera options, then complain when they do. theres just no pleasing some people.

I fail to understand why this surprises you.

Obviously people associate "Canon" and "Nikon" written on photographic gear with a certain promise of quality.

Otherwise they could have just written "Canon" or "Nikon" on their Sony cameras, right ?

So yeah of course they complain when Canon and Nikon release poor products. They wanted their issues with Sony cameras fixed, not getting an even worse product.

 

[pixmedic]

.people complaining for years that nikon./canon arent making mirrorless camera options, then complain when they do. theres just no pleasing some people.

I fail to understand why this surprises you.

Obviously people associate "Canon" and "Nikon" written on photographic gear with a certain promise of quality.

Otherwise they could have just written "Canon" or "Nikon" on their Sony cameras, right ?

So yeah of course they complain when Canon and Nikon release poor products. They wanted their issues with Sony cameras fixed, not getting an even worse product.

I fail to understand why you assumed I was surprised by any of it.

 

[Braineack]

wow.

Nikon: "Let's take the sensor tech from the D850 and put it in one camera. Then we'll take the sensor tech from the D750 and put it into the other camera. But wait, there's more! Now let's take the stuff people really hate about the D3xxx and D5xxx series cameras and incorporate them into both new camera bodies! Let's make sure we charge the same as the D850 and more than the D750 when we launch them!"

What's wrong with those sensors?
And what are the elements that people hate about the D3xxx and D5xxx series cameras that were incorporated into the new bodies?

One card slot?!

When's the last time your memory card failed? Do you even shoot weddings with RAW + JPG?

Not only that but it's XQD?!

ZQD > CF > SD

FTZ adapter. Works great with G lenses. D lenses, no autofocus. Seems like no big deal, unless you're shooting rapid fire or don't have the best eyesight. Oh, and may or may not work with 3rd party lenses.

they could have not made an adapter... would that have pleased you? I'm personally very happy a FZ adapter will exist from day one.

Buffer on the Z7...complete fail! Why so? Because XQD cards are SUBSTANTIALLY faster than SD, yet Nikon doesn't increase the buffer internally to take advantage of it at all!

you're contradicting yourself here. why would they increase the internal buffer if the cards can write fast enough not to need a buffer?

Look, I'm a looooong time Nikon user, but there is no excuse for these flaws. If it were 2012 and Nikon was trend setting like Sony did, no problem...minus the single card slot. But no. They aren't blazing any paths. Most would agree Nikon and Canon are WAY behind the power curve in the mirrorless game.

were they trying to blaze a path? has nikon ever? not in my opinion.

Sure the autofocus system is great...They've smoothed out video focusing as well...4k video uses cropped frame on the sensor for 1:1 ratio...the grip..the touch screen...the battery.

so basically they made a pretty decent camera...

@scaryloud still waiting for replies...

 

[scaryloud]

Banding and dynamic range issues are reportedly plaguing the heck out of the Z7 so far. That can't be fixed by firmware. Its a hardware issue. Autofocus also seems to have issues locking on.

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[Braineack]

Two solutions:

1. dont push the ev to +6 in post.
2. dont underexposure the image by 6 stops.

This [the banding] is an issue with any PD AF sensor. Sony and Fuji are dealing with similar issues of their own here...

 

[Derrel]

Two solutions:

1. dont push the ev to +6 in post.
2. dont underexposure the image by 6 stops.

This [the banding] is an issue with any PD AF sensor. Sony and Fuji are dealing with similar issues of their own here...

If one wishes to recover 6-stop-underexposed images...the Nikon D850 can still do it, without the problems associated with having Phase Detection pixels embedded directly into the sensor...some things which seem like an advantage on-paper are, in the real world, sometimes a limitation. The banding caused by the Phase Detection pixels is one example of an on-paper "advantage" that we sometimes see listed as a mirrorless camera advantage, but as you point out, it's been a source of some,occasional image flaws for multiple camera manufacturers. When conditions are right, this is an issue some mirrorless cameras can be afflicted with.

The fact is though...that an ISO invariant sensor encourages photographers to routinely underexpose to a huge degree, then recover the images in post software...with some mirrorless cameras, that d-slr trick is not always going to work...the banding problem the Nikon Z7 suffers from can bee seen here:

Nikon Z7 First Impressions Review

 

[greybeard]

Given time the Z series will work out the banding thing with later generations. I like a lot of people, would love to have a Z7 to play around with but, I just can't muster up enough GAS to drop $4000+ on a Z7 body + 24-70 Z f/4 + the adapter. I doubt the resulting pictures would be any better than the combination d750/d7500 I'm using now.

 

[Solarflare]

I dont see how thats not a problem because it obviously will show up in any image with high dynamic range.

Well ... I could have played around with the Z7 for a while on photokina but I just didnt care. Same for Canons EOS-R.

One card slot is intolerable for certain types of photographers. Either way it shows a disregard for data security.

 

[cgw]

Sorry but are these cameras in that many hands yet to fuel this issue? Wild extremes of under/over-exposure still have consequences in post and I don’t believe the Nikon Z cameras up-ended this. Soon, inshallah, but not now.

 

[scaryloud]

I vary my exposures from 2/3 of a stop over or under exposed. That being said, when shooting contrasty situations or landscapes with harsh shadows, it may take quite a lot of boosting to bring out the shadow detail. This is where the banding issues commonly occur.

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[chasgroh]

I've read the entire thread. Nobody actually is shooting with one of these cameras. Jeeze Louise...

 

[BananaRepublic]

Nikon: "Let's take the sensor tech from the D850 and put it in one camera. Then we'll take the sensor tech from the D750 and put it into the other camera. But wait, there's more! Now let's take the stuff people really hate about the D3xxx and D5xxx series cameras and incorporate them into both new camera bodies! Let's make sure we charge the same as the D850 and more than the D750 when we launch them!"

One card slot?! Not only that but it's XQD?! 128gb card = $200+...and you get to buy an external card reader! "Hey, my memory card died during this wedding shoot! No worries, I have my bac---" NOPE! Look, I would pay more for the XQD cards (not gleefully) if there were 2 slots. I have an XQD card in my D500. But I gotta stack of SD and CF cards already (about $1200 in value give or take), to render them obsolete would take a better camera than the Z6 or Z7 currently are.

FTZ adapter. Works great with G lenses. D lenses, no autofocus. Seems like no big deal, unless you're shooting rapid fire or don't have the best eyesight. Oh, and may or may not work with 3rd party lenses.

Buffer on the Z7...complete fail! Why so? Because XQD cards are SUBSTANTIALLY faster than SD, yet Nikon doesn't increase the buffer internally to take advantage of it at all!

Look, I'm a looooong time Nikon user, but there is no excuse for these flaws. If it were 2012 and Nikon was trend setting like Sony did, no problem...minus the single card slot. But no. They aren't blazing any paths. Most would agree Nikon and Canon are WAY behind the power curve in the mirrorless game.

Sure the autofocus system is great, but still not breaking any new ice. They've smoothed out video focusing as well, about freakin' time. Canon, Sony and Panasuckit figured out how to do it years ago.

4k video uses cropped frame on the sensor for 1:1 ratio.

About the only things Nikon got right were the grip, the touch screen, and the battery (en-el15b)...just not the battery life (330 shots?). Those new lenses look...eh, rushed really.

I expected soooo much more considering the technology that's already out there. Good news is my D810 and D500 will be holding their value for a while longer so far as I can tell.

What say you???

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Easy solution to this, Don't buy one so

 

[waday]

I've read the entire thread. Nobody actually is shooting with one of these cameras. Jeeze Louise...

Welcome to the world of tech discussions. I'm assuming you don't frequent other sites and forums that much more heavily discuss technology from a desktop perspective?

 

[Derrel]

The camera is not widely distributed in the world yet. You can't even buy lenses for it half the places. What few units there are been snapped up by early adopting techno geeks. On the other hand there are almost 20 years worth of Nikon DSLRs in the wild

 

[chasgroh]

I've read the entire thread. Nobody actually is shooting with one of these cameras. Jeeze Louise...

Welcome to the world of tech discussions. I'm assuming you don't frequent other sites and forums that much more heavily discuss technology from a desktop perspective?

...well, sure. It's just that it's been a couple of months of this patter. I'm going in on the Z6, so the Z7 doesn't completely apply, but I want hands-on opinions, not a bunch of regurgitated "...only one card slot" kinda stuff. I just found this site and it seems really good, maybe I should just avoid what I know to be useless... ;0) I've a nice set of DSLR's (D5,800,500 and a couple of IR bodies) and am anxious to get my mitts on a Z6...so I'll look through this site more carefully.