Noob question regarding body and lens

[KmH]

The XS, and other entry-level Canon bodies, don't have Spot metering mode, don't allow the metering to follow the chosen focus point, and don't have a metering system that is color-aware.

The T2i and T3i do indeed have spot metering and iFCL (Canon's version of color aware metering).

From looking at the specifications at Canon USA, it seems iFCL is the 2 layer metering sensor:

From the "Overview" for the 7D - Canon U.S.A. : Consumer & Home Office : EOS 7D

New iFCL Metering with 63-zone dual-layer metering system uses both focus and color information to provide accurate exposure even in difficult lighting.

This is from the 7D specifications listed at CanonUSA.com:

63-zone SPC TTL metering with selectable modes

This is listed for the T3i specifications at CanonUSA.com:

TTL maximum aperture metering with 63-zone metering sensor

And for the T2i:

63-zone TTL full-aperture metering

Neither the specifications nor the overview at CanonUSA.com list the dual-layer metering sensor for the T2i and T3i.

What is the SPC feature listed in the metering discription for the 7D?

Can you direct me to information indicating the T3i and T2i have the iFCL dual-layer metering system?

 

[o hey tyler]

It really takes both good glass and a good camera body, particularly if you are wanting to use Canon gear.

The XS, and other entry-level Canon bodies, don't have Spot metering mode, don't allow the metering to follow the chosen focus point, and don't have a metering system that is color-aware.

The XS and the T3 (not to be confused with the T3i) are the only Canon bodies in their current lineup that do not have spot metering. In addition to that, you've posted numerous times that the XS doesn't have a DoF preview button. In fact it does.

If you want a cheaper body, and a better lens, OP. Go for the XSi at a minimum. You could always get a T2i w/ a kit lens and a 50mm f/1.8 for $100 more too.

 

[Noobinitup]

It really takes both good glass and a good camera body, particularly if you are wanting to use Canon gear.

The XS, and other entry-level Canon bodies, don't have Spot metering mode, don't allow the metering to follow the chosen focus point, and don't have a metering system that is color-aware.

The XS and the T3 (not to be confused with the T3i) are the only Canon bodies in their current lineup that do not have spot metering. In addition to that, you've posted numerous times that the XS doesn't have a DoF preview button. In fact it does.

If you want a cheaper body, and a better lens, OP. Go for the XSi at a minimum. You could always get a T2i w/ a kit lens and a 50mm f/1.8 for $100 more too.

Thx O Hey,

I was kinda leaning towards the T2i with a kit lens(15-50MM) and then looking to purchase a solid all around lens for a super noob like to me use for a little while until i really hone in on making a jump to a more expensive lens. You suggest the 50MM f/1.8?

Just got in over my head, as i expected LOL. Still leaning towards canon, but if i can find a good solid deal on a D90 im not opposed. Will also go to a store and play around with some of them, although i am having a hard time finding a d90 in stock in brick and mortar to play around with.

 

[o hey tyler]

It really takes both good glass and a good camera body, particularly if you are wanting to use Canon gear.

The XS, and other entry-level Canon bodies, don't have Spot metering mode, don't allow the metering to follow the chosen focus point, and don't have a metering system that is color-aware.

The XS and the T3 (not to be confused with the T3i) are the only Canon bodies in their current lineup that do not have spot metering. In addition to that, you've posted numerous times that the XS doesn't have a DoF preview button. In fact it does.

If you want a cheaper body, and a better lens, OP. Go for the XSi at a minimum. You could always get a T2i w/ a kit lens and a 50mm f/1.8 for $100 more too.

Thx O Hey,

I was kinda leaning towards the T2i with a kit lens(15-50MM) and then looking to purchase a solid all around lens for a super noob like to me use for a little while until i really hone in on making a jump to a more expensive lens. You suggest the 50MM f/1.8?

Just got in over my head, as i expected LOL. Still leaning towards canon, but if i can find a good solid deal on a D90 im not opposed. Will also go to a store and play around with some of them, although i am having a hard time finding a d90 in stock in brick and mortar to play around with.

Yes, the 50mm f/1.8 is the best "bang for your buck" lens for a beginner photographer. It is a fast lens that lets plenty of light in and gives a very "true to life" appearance to images due to the focal length. The 50mm f/1.8 has less pleasing bokeh than the 50mm f/1.4, but it's 1/3 or less of the price.

 

[subscuck]

Can you direct me to information indicating the T3i and T2i have the iFCL dual-layer metering system?

Sure. Look here:
Canon EOS 550D / Rebel T2i , previewed with samples: Digital Photography Review

or here:

Canon Rebel T3i / EOS 600D announced and previewed: Digital Photography Review
Any and all of the reviews on line for either camera make mention of the iFCL system being used in them.

 

[KmH]

It really takes both good glass and a good camera body, particularly if you are wanting to use Canon gear.

The XS, and other entry-level Canon bodies, don't have Spot metering mode, don't allow the metering to follow the chosen focus point, and don't have a metering system that is color-aware.

The XS and the T3 (not to be confused with the T3i) are the only Canon bodies in their current lineup that do not have spot metering. In addition to that, you've posted numerous times that the XS doesn't have a DoF preview button. In fact it does.

Help me out here! Where did I say the XS lacks a DOF button?

There are other, no longer current entry-level Canon bodies that also lack Spot metering mode.

 

[KmH]

Can you direct me to information indicating the T3i and T2i have the iFCL dual-layer metering system?

Sure. Look here:
Canon EOS 550D / Rebel T2i , previewed with samples: Digital Photography Review

or here:

Canon Rebel T3i / EOS 600D announced and previewed: Digital Photography Review
Any and all of the reviews on line for either camera make mention of the iFCL system being used in them.

Thank you for the links. I wonder why CanonUSA.com doesn't have that information, though I note those links you provided are previews, not reviews.

So that makes what - 5 Canon bodies that have iFCL now? T2i, T3i, 60D, 7D, 1D MKIV ? Or am I still missing some?

 

[o hey tyler]

It really takes both good glass and a good camera body, particularly if you are wanting to use Canon gear.

The XS, and other entry-level Canon bodies, don't have Spot metering mode, don't allow the metering to follow the chosen focus point, and don't have a metering system that is color-aware.

The XS and the T3 (not to be confused with the T3i) are the only Canon bodies in their current lineup that do not have spot metering. In addition to that, you've posted numerous times that the XS doesn't have a DoF preview button. In fact it does.

Help me out here! Where did I say the XS lacks a DOF button?

There are other, no longer current entry-level Canon bodies that also lack Spot metering mode.

Help is on the way, Keith:

http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...-flip-coin-between-these-two.html#post2235161

and

http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...e-settings-concert-low-light.html#post2231188

There are other, no longer current entry-level Nikon bodies that also lack internal focus motors, in addition to the four bodies in the current lineup that lack focus motors. It could be argued that for a beginner, AF is more important that spot metering.

 

[KmH]

you've posted numerous times that the XS doesn't have a DoF preview button. In fact it does.

Help me out here! Where did I say the XS lacks a DOF button?

Help is on the way, Keith:

http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...-flip-coin-between-these-two.html#post2235161

and

http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...e-settings-concert-low-light.html#post2231188

Thank you, I stand corrected.

 

[subscuck]

Thank you for the links. I wonder why CanonUSA.com doesn't have that information, though I note those links you provided are previews, not reviews.

So that makes what - 5 Canon bodies that have iFCL now? T2i, T3i, 60D, 7D, 1D MKIV ? Or am I still missing some?

It's mentioned in all of the reviews as well, I just grabbed two links rather than post a ton of them. To the best of my knowledge, every body released since the 7D has the iFCL system, including the T3, and so will all bodies in the future. Maybe Canon doesn't specifically mention it as it's implied in the 63 zone metering system? I dunno...

 

[KmH]

No doubt they intend to eventually upgrade their entire DSLR lineup to a color-aware metering system.

Nikon did that several years ago.

 

[o hey tyler]

I wonder when they'll update to all include focus motors...

 

[Noobinitup]

is there a major diff between the T1i and the T2i? just curious as i can get a very good deal on the T1i but dont want to sell myself short in the long run. i am planning on purchasig a 50 1/8MM lens regalrdess

 

[subscuck]

is there a major diff between the T1i and the T2i? just curious as i can get a very good deal on the T1i but dont want to sell myself short in the long run. i am planning on purchasig a 50 1/8MM lens regalrdess

For all practical purposes, I'd say there's a bigger difference between the T3i and the T1i. Granted, the T2i will have the color aware metering system, but my 50D doesn't have it and it hasn't seemed to hurt me. If you can get a good deal on a T1i, it's certainly worth serious consideration, especially if it might free up enough cash to get a 50 1.4 instead of the, honestly, vastly inferior 1.8. Though honestly, for a crop I'd go with the 35 2.0 for it's "normal" perspective, rather than the borderline telephoto you'll get with a 50, unless you want a 50 as a sometimes portrait lens.

 

[Noobinitup]

is there a major diff between the T1i and the T2i? just curious as i can get a very good deal on the T1i but dont want to sell myself short in the long run. i am planning on purchasig a 50 1/8MM lens regalrdess

For all practical purposes, I'd say there's a bigger difference between the T3i and the T1i. Granted, the T2i will have the color aware metering system, but my 50D doesn't have it and it hasn't seemed to hurt me. If you can get a good deal on a T1i, it's certainly worth serious consideration, especially if it might free up enough cash to get a 50 1.4 instead of the, honestly, vastly inferior 1.8. Though honestly, for a crop I'd go with the 35 2.0 for it's "normal" perspective, rather than the borderline telephoto you'll get with a 50, unless you want a 50 as a sometimes portrait lens.

Thx sub.
would it be a big enough diff for a super noob like me to notice? i only ask because for my limited start up budget i like the idea of a solid body and then spending the savings on a v decent lens such as the 50 1.4 as you and a few others have mentioned investing in. i can secure a refurb X1i and 50 1.4 for probably the same cost as a refurb T2i kit with starter 18-55 lens.
I would like the 50 as a sometimes portrait lens for my 9 month old, but its not as import as a solid all around lens for learning and travel purposes.
thanks again