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Oh brother.
My first paid gig was an engagement party at a nice Mediterranean restaurant with about 30 guest. My contract explicitedly stated that I would delivery 12 images. I showed the couple 20 images and delivered 30 good images.

The old adage really works. Exceed your customers' expectations.


BTW, I paid for a piece of equipment that I used specifically for this session with the funds received. I wouldn't have it otherwise.
 
Yes. I'm waiting for her response to the price. Which was my idea. Not hers. Ill go from there.
 
I agree, this is a great opportunity for you and your portfolio. Milk it for the experience, the money you make from this one will be spent in a week, just pay attention to the details and what happens from start to finish. That is where the paycheck is.
 
Yes. I'm waiting for her response to the price. Which was my idea. Not hers. Ill go from there.


Do you have any other lenses other than ones you have in your sig? I ask this because you do not have much zoom with the lenses you have correct? What would you do if they stuck you in the very back of the church to take your pictures? How would you zoom in on the couple(s)? At the very least rent a lens with zoom so that you can avoid this problem.

Good luck!
 
No, all I have is what is there. This is a small, country church, I'm fairly sure they're not going to have a bunch of strict policies about a wedding photographer.

But, I've made it clear that my equipment is extremely limited. Several times. Here and to the bride.

I would have to be accommodated if I do not have the zoom lens.

Although, I've looked at renting a zoom lens and should she accept and everything work out, I will very likely rent it.
 
Hi Misstwinklytoes :)

Your threads are always so fun, lol. And I mean that in a good way.

My advice: Don't manual focus! No matter how much you want to, don't use manual focus for the wedding. Like I said in one of your threads, our cameras aren't designed to be easily manually focused.

Scope out the location well in advance. I did my aunt's wedding because of a similar situation; they had nobody else to do it and couldn't afford a wedding photographer. I'm set to do my sister's for the same reason. My aunt's wedding was in the basement of a building and the lighting was horrendous. Even though I'd been to the building, I didn't take test shots ahead of time. Because of that, I let myself think that my kit lens would be ok. It wasn't. Since then, I have invested in some faster glass. So definately do some practice shots of people moving around in the building it will be held at and at the time of day it's going to happen.

Bring a tripod with a quick disconnect. My tripod doesn't have one. I missed some (thankfully not too important) shots because I had to unscrew the camera from the tripod (which reminds me, I need to get a different tripod before my sister's wedding, lol.)

The more prep work you do, the better the shoot will go. Please listen when everyone says visit the location well ahead of time. And make sure you do your test shots with MOVING people. As much as it seems like weddings are slow and still, once you get behind the lens, you discover theres constant movement.

I just don't want you to have the same problems I had. Hopefully this church is well lit!
 
Personally, being at the same level experience and gear-wise that you are, here is what I would do (and have done):

Take the money she is willing to pay you and use it on renting gear/ any additional expenses. For example, say you will spend ~10$ in gas to get there, ~5$ in CDs/DVDs, and the other 380$ use on lenses (save 5$ for a drink or two.. don't want shaky nervous hands! :P). Take this opportunity someone is giving you to full immerse yourself in the task. Sure this way you'll walk away with +0$, but the thing to focus on is the experience you gain, not the money. Use the money to bring her the best product you possibly can, and thats by at the very least renting the 70-200/2.8 and a good flash.

Rates Photographers are paid per hour are a reflection of their skill, experience, and investment in gear. You and I have hobby-level skill, very little experience, and a hobby-level investment in gear, so if you look at the situation as I do I would equate my hourly worth to.. well lets say its not 130$/hr (based on a 400$fee for the event). Instead of looking to walk away from this by getting paid in cash, look at it as a payment in experience and spend any money you would get for your time to optimize the final product.

I while back a buddy of mine looked through pictures I've taken of my sister's dance performances and asked me to go take pictures of his band performing. This is NOT the equivalent of a wedding, but it was important for him to have performance pictures to properly market and advance his band. I asked him how much there was in the band's budget for a photographer and he said ~50$ so I used it to "rent" (paid a friend who owns it) the 70-200/2.8L for a week (approx. the price I'd pay on borrowlenses.com). So yeah, I didn't get paid for my time but then again at my level of skill and experience my time as a photographer isn't really worth anything. I walked away with a ton of experience and he let me file the pictures away for use in a portfolio, as well as getting to see a photograph I took printed on posters. I value those things far more then the hour I spent pre-perfomance practicing, the ninety-minutes during I used ~800shutter-clicks, or the 20miles round-trip I covered myself. Its all about perspective.

Also by doing this and letting her know you're doing this, she'd be hard pressed to pull an argument of "I paid you for something and you didn't give it to me," let her know you're spending the entire sum on expenses and I'd be amazed if she weren't shamed into silence over dissatisfied photographs, after all you did spend 3hours shooting and only you know how many hours processing - for free.

Since you were looking for willing participants for practice in the first place (not a payday), I think this may be the perspective you should adopt for this event.
 
If they decide to pay you a decent amount, then see if you can cover not only a lens rental, but maybe even a 5D2 rental... :)
 
If they decide to pay you a decent amount, then see if you can cover not only a lens rental, but maybe even a 5D2 rental... :)

Well... normally.

But with this very small, very informal first-time wedding shoot, don't you think she's better off with a camera she knows well?

-Pete
 
If they decide to pay you a decent amount, then see if you can cover not only a lens rental, but maybe even a 5D2 rental... :)

Well... normally.

But with this very small, very informal first-time wedding shoot, don't you think she's better off with a camera she knows well?

-Pete

All depends on how well she actually knows the camera. Informal or not, a small venue with low light will be hard to shoot even with a 1.8 on a Rebel XS body. Usable ISO is what, 400? 800 if you want noise?

There are so many things to deal with in a wedding... dealing with people, poses, lights, timing, schedules,... even a small one has its hurddles. So yes, using something familiar is a great idea, but using something that is better in P mode is another option to explore. And if she is shooting in P mode on her XS, why not shoot P mode on a 5D2? :D

Just throwing a suggestion out there. A co-worker of mine does weddings on the side and owns a Rebel but rents a 5D2 when he does a wedding. Doesnt have the money (yet) to buy one, so he rents.
 
...but using something that is better in P mode is another option to explore. And if she is shooting in P mode on her XS, why not shoot P mode on a 5D2? :D

Oh, duh!

I forget there are other modes on these things.

Well, then sure.... rent a better camera too if it's possible.

-Pete
 
Well, she's accepted the price. I am going to meet with her, the other bride, and the preacher tomorrow. I will be able to see the church and lighting, etc. I'd also like to work up a contract. (Anyone offer advice, an example, something on this?)

Hopefully this all goes well. I know most of you disagree with me even attempting this, but I'm gonna, so if you're just gonna post "you're insane" or derogatory things, don't bother, I'm well aware of what you're thinking. :lmao:

Those of you that really want to offer advice, even for the meeting, I'm more than willing to take it.
 

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