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My D80 is on its very last legs. I have had it for about 6 years and it has over 40,000 frames on it. It has served me well, but I have had a bit of buyer's remorse since first purchasing it. I went to school for photography and graphic design (graduated in 2003 just as digital photography was taking off), but have never done photography professionally. I'm not sure that I ever will, it's always been somewhat of a pipe dream, especially now since everyone who has a DSLR is a photographer, but I digress. I don't want to rule out the option of going pro, but for now I'm amateur.

The majority of my college years was spent shooting a Canon 35mm, which I adored and kicked ass with. My first introduction to digital photography was with a Nikon, thus my switch. I never have felt "at home" with my Nikon like I did with my Canon, which is why I'm debating on switching back to Canon. I only have the 18-135mm Lens, so not much invested there.

So I guess my question is what would be a good body/lens combo. that would carry me through the next phase of life :lol:. Mainly I take photos of children, and products, but also nature.

Disclaimer: I really am a very educated individual, however I am exhausted and therefore am likely leaving out important information and/or not making a whole lot of sense!
 
Mainly I take photos of children, and products, but also nature.
$2-3k for budget
 
That leaves the door open to almost everything except a D3x, D4, & D4s - how about a nice pair of lightly used D700s?
 
I would definitely stick with Nikon as you've just spent 40,000 button presses on that thing and know pretty much how Nikon's operate.
Saying that - you didn't feel at home with it. Maybe you could try a few models in store before you purchase.

Are you also looking into glass, or just the body / kit? Because for $3000 you can get some good stuff!!!
 
Well, $3k is the tippy-top-absolute-highest I'd go, actually want to spend less, aiming closer to the $2k mark, and would need to include body, lens(es), and possibly flash. I do have a speedlight 600 for my Nikon.

I agree, I should go to a store and test out the Canons.
 
Being a Nikon guy I would recommend you to consider the Nikon D7100 with its kit lens for starters and to that add Nikon 50mm 1.8G.
Owning this camera for around a year I must tell you its an awesome tool.
If you want to go with Canon and will not give Nikon a chance I must tell you personally I would say go with the Canon 6D which is a full frame camera.
The Canon 70D is a very good camera for video taking and good for fast action shots but is lacking a bit in low light compoared to the Nikon D7100.
I would not go with anything lower then the 70D by canon because you will get older technology sensor which is ok but not really comparible to Nikon's equivalent sensors (which is made by Sony or Toshiba).
 
Thank you all very much for your advice. I'm doing my research and I'm really loving the D7100, so we shall see......

Wondering about life expectancy on these guys; I feel like my D80 has served me well, I looked it up and it was purchased (new) end of Aug. 2007, so coming up on 7 years, and around 40,000 frames. Is that pretty average for Nikon? Does lifespan vary from model to model?
 
Thank you all very much for your advice. I'm doing my research and I'm really loving the D7100, so we shall see......

Wondering about life expectancy on these guys; I feel like my D80 has served me well, I looked it up and it was purchased (new) end of Aug. 2007, so coming up on 7 years, and around 40,000 frames. Is that pretty average for Nikon? Does lifespan vary from model to model?
40,000 frames is barely broken in... my old D70 died somewhere north of 200,000; I haven't looked at the '700, but last time I did, I'd already lapped the count.
 
Yes but the shutters are good for 100,000-200,000 shots.

If you're looking to spend $2000. I'd get the D7100 and blow the rest on glass. I say D7100 because I know Nkkon, not Canon, but I'd be surprised if you didn't like it.
 
I don't even have my camera for a year.

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I'll twist things around a bit.

Your preferred uses (children, products, and nature -- so long as you aren't referring to "action wildlife photography" when you say "nature") don't indicate a need for a high-performance camera (you do not need a camera that can shoot 14 frames per second with a staggeringly sophisticated focus and tracking system.) This means you have a lot of options (a good thing too because those cameras that shoot 14 frames per second with those amazing focus systems are all well over the $3k limit.)

Fundamentally, if we ignore the notion that your Canon was a film camera and your Nikon is a digital camera... one other very significant difference is the image size. The Canon film camera had a 35mm negative frame (24mm x 36mm) The Nikon has an APS-C size sensor.... so named because it's "roughly" the same size as a single frame of APS-C film (Advanced Photo System - Classic) and that had a 50% crop factor (by area... not dimensions... in other words it's not half of the 24mm x 36mm frame size... it's closer to 2/3rds or around 15 x 23mm.)

Anyway this smaller sensor means the reflex mirror is smaller, the pentaprism is smaller, the viewfinder is smaller, etc. But it also means the "angle of view" is tighter. That reduced angle of view may mean you'll chose a lower focal length lens to take the same shot or it may mean you'll choose to shoot your subject from a different distance so that, in the end, you get "roughly" the same framing that you had planned to compose.

When you make those behavioral adjustments to compensate for the crop-factor difference, you will end up changing things like the depth-of-field.

You may want to go look at and evaluate a "full frame" camera vs. a "crop frame" camera.

In Canon, the 6D, 5D III, and the 1D X are all "full frame" bodies -- with sensors as large as a 35mm film frame. Every other Canon DSLR uses an APS-C size crop-frame. The 1D X and 5D III are above your $3k budget... which leaves the 6D within budget.

In Nikon, the full-frame bodies are the D610, Df, D800 series (800, 800e, and 810), D4, D4s, and D3X and everything else is APS-C crop-frame. But most of those (D3X, D4, D4s, 810, 800E) are above your budget. The D800 (the oldest of the D800 series) is $2999.95... without a lens. So we may as well add that to the "over budget" category. The Df is an interesting camera ... it's about $2750 (without a lens) and this camera has a 50mm f/1.8 "kit lens" bringing it to $3k (most cameras will have a standard zoom... meaning a little wide-angle and a little telephoto in the range but nothing too extreme.) Also the Df "looks" like an older camera -- it has a nostalgic looking body that will probably remind you more of your Canon film camera (even though it is an advanced digital camera.) That means that like the Canon... the single camera body that probably stands out in terms of affordability is likely the D610.

The Canon 6D and the Nikon D610 are both considered "entry level" for full frame cameras. Previous to the Canon 6D and Nikon D600 (the D600 was discontinued and replaced with the D610) no full-frame DSLR had a price tag less than $2k -- most being much closer to $3k at the low-end and going well-up from there. Full-frame DSLRs were strictly the kit of the professional ... or the very enthusiastic amateur with the financial means to afford them. However... "entry level" for a full-frame camera is still a VERY good camera.

You would likely notice the larger and brighter viewfinder. You may be more comfortable with the noticeably larger size camera body.

But the really big difference will be the return to focal length and DoF behaviors that you were used to when you used a 35mm film camera.

One other thing... but this will be true of most any DSLR camera currently marketed... Your D80 was old and a bit limited in terms of sensor performance. Everything currently marketed today will have significantly better sensor before ... pretty much in every way (ISO range, less "noise" at high ISO, better dynamic range, better bit depth and more adjustment latitude when shooting RAW, etc. etc.) If the quality of the images you were getting with the D80 were disappointing then you'll probably be impressed with all the current offerings (regardless of who makes it.)

Given your long experience with 35mm film, your background, education, your budget, and the notion that you want something not necessarily "pro" but it sounds like you want something "near pro" ... I think you should probably give those full-frame bodies a look.
 
So why the heck is mine crapping out on me!? is it the age? Ugh, so frustrating.
 
I'll twist things around a bit.

Your preferred uses (children, products, and nature -- so long as you aren't referring to "action wildlife photography" when you say "nature") don't indicate a need for a high-performance camera (you do not need a camera that can shoot 14 frames per second with a staggeringly sophisticated focus and tracking system.) This means you have a lot of options (a good thing too because those cameras that shoot 14 frames per second with those amazing focus systems are all well over the $3k limit.)

Fundamentally, if we ignore the notion that your Canon was a film camera and your Nikon is a digital camera... one other very significant difference is the image size. The Canon film camera had a 35mm negative frame (24mm x 36mm) The Nikon has an APS-C size sensor.... so named because it's "roughly" the same size as a single frame of APS-C film (Advanced Photo System - Classic) and that had a 50% crop factor (by area... not dimensions... in other words it's not half of the 24mm x 36mm frame size... it's closer to 2/3rds or around 15 x 23mm.)

Anyway this smaller sensor means the reflex mirror is smaller, the pentaprism is smaller, the viewfinder is smaller, etc. But it also means the "angle of view" is tighter. That reduced angle of view may mean you'll chose a lower focal length lens to take the same shot or it may mean you'll choose to shoot your subject from a different distance so that, in the end, you get "roughly" the same framing that you had planned to compose.

When you make those behavioral adjustments to compensate for the crop-factor difference, you will end up changing things like the depth-of-field.

You may want to go look at and evaluate a "full frame" camera vs. a "crop frame" camera.

In Canon, the 6D, 5D III, and the 1D X are all "full frame" bodies -- with sensors as large as a 35mm film frame. Every other Canon DSLR uses an APS-C size crop-frame. The 1D X and 5D III are above your $3k budget... which leaves the 6D within budget.

In Nikon, the full-frame bodies are the D610, Df, D800 series (800, 800e, and 810), D4, D4s, and D3X and everything else is APS-C crop-frame. But most of those (D3X, D4, D4s, 810, 800E) are above your budget. The D800 (the oldest of the D800 series) is $2999.95... without a lens. So we may as well add that to the "over budget" category. The Df is an interesting camera ... it's about $2750 (without a lens) and this camera has a 50mm f/1.8 "kit lens" bringing it to $3k (most cameras will have a standard zoom... meaning a little wide-angle and a little telephoto in the range but nothing too extreme.) Also the Df "looks" like an older camera -- it has a nostalgic looking body that will probably remind you more of your Canon film camera (even though it is an advanced digital camera.) That means that like the Canon... the single camera body that probably stands out in terms of affordability is likely the D610.

The Canon 6D and the Nikon D610 are both considered "entry level" for full frame cameras. Previous to the Canon 6D and Nikon D600 (the D600 was discontinued and replaced with the D610) no full-frame DSLR had a price tag less than $2k -- most being much closer to $3k at the low-end and going well-up from there. Full-frame DSLRs were strictly the kit of the professional ... or the very enthusiastic amateur with the financial means to afford them. However... "entry level" for a full-frame camera is still a VERY good camera.

You would likely notice the larger and brighter viewfinder. You may be more comfortable with the noticeably larger size camera body.

But the really big difference will be the return to focal length and DoF behaviors that you were used to when you used a 35mm film camera.

One other thing... but this will be true of most any DSLR camera currently marketed... Your D80 was old and a bit limited in terms of sensor performance. Everything currently marketed today will have significantly better sensor before ... pretty much in every way (ISO range, less "noise" at high ISO, better dynamic range, better bit depth and more adjustment latitude when shooting RAW, etc. etc.) If the quality of the images you were getting with the D80 were disappointing then you'll probably be impressed with all the current offerings (regardless of who makes it.)

Given your long experience with 35mm film, your background, education, your budget, and the notion that you want something not necessarily "pro" but it sounds like you want something "near pro" ... I think you should probably give those full-frame bodies a look.

Wow, thank you so much for taking the time to type all that! I will definitely consider your suggestions.
 

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