Pricing for Triathalons/Bike Races

[gsgary]

[...I used to use mine was shooting dont agility at iso3200 and pre focus with the 300f2.8 even my 2 1Dmk2's could not track the dogs at full speed not even a D4 would

What the heck kinda dogs are you talking about Gary? I remember doing some with my old D300 and it didn't have a problem.

I'm talking this, even when the D3 came out it would not track these they are so fast on the tight coarse

 

[gsgary]

Im not saying the 5d wont do it, its just if you are trying to make money the 5d does not get enough keepers...

So, lemme' get that straight: It does do it, but it does it by not getting enough keepers?

I'm sorry, but that's nonsensical.

At the end of the day, though, you're wrong. I know you're wrong because I know my 5D worked, and works, very well when I need it to.

If yours did not, I would submit that the issue may not have been the camera...

Not when you are shooting and printing on site you need as many keepers as possible there is no time to sort them at these events when there is over 400 dogs

 

[Steve5D]

Large companies like brightroom usually hire bunch of newbie photographers. You shoot jpeg small resolution. Then they pay people to identify bib # and upload the photos to the internet for people to find it. To start you make $35/hr. If you have been with them for a while you may be promoted up to $50/hr. How do I know? I did it once. Never again.

Why not?

I'm not at all familiar with the company, by the way...

 

[Steve5D]

Not when you are shooting and printing on site you need as many keepers as possible there is no time to sort them at these events when there is over 400 dogs

And, up to this point, what, exactly, has been offered by the OP (who's been absent since the first post in this thread, by the way) to indicate that his requirements are anything remotely like the requirements of shooting some event with over 400 dogs running around an obstacle course?

Lemme' help ya' out: NOTHING.

That's why I suggested that the amount should be dictated by the amount of work required. If all he's doing is handing over a card, and doing zero editing, it's a quick quick pay day with very little effort.

Also, there's an old adage that goes "It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools".

It's true...

 

[Robin Usagani]

Large companies like brightroom usually hire bunch of newbie photographers. You shoot jpeg small resolution. Then they pay people to identify bib # and upload the photos to the internet for people to find it. To start you make $35/hr. If you have been with them for a while you may be promoted up to $50/hr. How do I know? I did it once. Never again.

Why not?

I'm not at all familiar with the company, by the way...

Cause last time I did it I had to be there at like 6 am (which is ok by me) but they told me to go after 3 hour later (even though the event was still going on). After considering driving, pay to park, using your shutter, it was not worth $105 IMO. I didnt get to see the files because I shot with their card. I rather shoot family photos and get $400. They dont tell you how long they will use you for.

 

[Steve5D]

Large companies like brightroom usually hire bunch of newbie photographers. You shoot jpeg small resolution. Then they pay people to identify bib # and upload the photos to the internet for people to find it. To start you make $35/hr. If you have been with them for a while you may be promoted up to $50/hr. How do I know? I did it once. Never again.

Why not?

I'm not at all familiar with the company, by the way...

Cause last time I did it I had to be there at like 6 am (which is ok by me) but they told me to go after 3 hour later (even though the event was still going on). After considering driving, pay to park, using your shutter, it was not worth $105 IMO. I didnt get to see the files because I shot with their card. I rather shoot family photos and get $400. They dont tell you how long they will use you for.

Okay, that's the last time.

What about the first time? Or the times in between the first and last times?

How many times did you shoot for them?

 

[Robin Usagani]

First and last.. sorry I was not being clear. Oh also they told us to come at 6am but we started shooting at 6:30 am. They only paid us starting at 6:30. I am always on time so of course I got there at 5:45 and didnt get paid until 6:30. You wont learn anything because you wont see the files and you shoot thousands of photos and most of them are posed shot of each contestant holding their participation medal.

 

[Steve5D]

First and last.. sorry I was not being clear. Oh also they told us to come at 6am but we started shooting at 6:30 am. They only paid us starting at 6:30. I am always on time so of course I got there at 5:45 and didnt get paid until 6:30. You wont learn anything because you wont see the files and you shoot thousands of photos and most of them are posed shot of each contestant holding their participation medal.

So, to be fair, you can't say whether or not that one instance was the norm or the exception.

How many thousands of photos of kids posing with medals did you shoot in those three hours?

 

[Robin Usagani]

First and last.. sorry I was not being clear. Oh also they told us to come at 6am but we started shooting at 6:30 am. They only paid us starting at 6:30. I am always on time so of course I got there at 5:45 and didnt get paid until 6:30. You wont learn anything because you wont see the files and you shoot thousands of photos and most of them are posed shot of each contestant holding their participation medal.

So, to be fair, you can't say whether or not that one instance was the norm or the exception.

How many thousands of photos of kids posing with medals did you shoot in those three hours?

A LOT.. i have no idea. It was a marathon. It wasnt a gig for me. It was mindless and you dont get to see the files. If that is your thing, contact brightroom and be on their team.

 

[Steve5D]

Hey, for the right amount of money, I don't need to see the files. I could care less.

You said "you shoot thousands of photos". In the three hours you did it, I just don't think that's possible. If you averaged one frame every fifteen seconds, you wouldn't even break 800. And there's no way to know, based on what you've said, whether what you experienced is the norm or the exception. The way you addressed it initially ("Cause last time I did it"), it seemed like you'd shot for them more than once.

I would just like to see a response absent the exaggeration...

 

[Robin Usagani]

Here you go Steve. brightroom, Inc.

Just sign up and it will tell you if there is a race close to your area. You can go to one of the events and you can see what kind of photos the photographers they hire take.

 

[Steve5D]

Right.

That's probably the only way I'll find out anything accurate about them, because that sure as Hell ain't happenin' here...

 

[Robin Usagani]

Right.

That's probably the only way I'll find out anything accurate about them, because that sure as Hell ain't happenin' here...

I feel like we can't just having a conversation here? I mean I had a bad experience with them and just wanted to share it? There is a reason why they are ALWAYS adding more photographers. There is a reason why they hire noobs.

 

[Steve5D]

Right.

That's probably the only way I'll find out anything accurate about them, because that sure as Hell ain't happenin' here...

I feel like we can't just having a conversation here? I mean I had a bad experience with them and just wanted to share it? There is a reason why they are ALWAYS adding more photographers. There is a reason why they hire noobs.

For me, the issue is this: Your post made it seem as though you'd shot for them multiple times. You referred to the "last time" you shot for them, not the "only time" you shot for them.

Given that it was the only time, it's impossible for you to conclude whether or not that's the way they do business, or if that one day was an exception. You made it sound as though you shot "thousands" of photos. Well, in three hours, if you're shooting photos of kids posing with their medals, it's a physical impossibility to shoot "thousands" of photos.

I'm just not a fan of gross exaggeration. It's not constructive. It's more detrimental than it is useful. So, yeah, I take issue with that when I see it.

Were you a newbie when they hired you? You didn't say.

You say there's a reason they're always hiring more photographers. I'm sure you would suggest it's because people like you shoot for them once and don't return. It's every bit as likely it's because their business is growing, and they need more photographers.

I've done gigs like that. I shot a football tournament over on the Gulf Coast. I was told to be there at 7:00am. I was there early, about 6:45am. When the owner of the company showed up, he said the schedule had changed, and that we wouldn't be shooting until around noon, and that we wouldn't be paid for those five hours. Well, two of the photographers left. They made nothing. I went back to my hotel, took a nap, and then went back to start shooting at noon.

Over the course of the ensuing two and a half days, I shot pretty much constantly, shooting football games and turning the cards over. Every once in a while I was able to enjoy 30 or 60 minutes of down time, for which I was paid. I never saw the photos I took. I didn't need to.

And, for the amount of work I had to do, I made a significant amount of money...

 

[tirediron]

Okay guys, this back-and-forthing is NOT helping the OP. Can we please get back on track?