So.. this is a rant about a model who didn't pay for a shoot and expects un-watermarked images.

[DavidVote]

how many of you shoot models? I Watermark all my images on TFP shoots. I have thousands of dollars invested in gear and decades invested in education.

unless a model specifically comes to me and tells me her desires for unwatermarked images she is going to get the images that I give her!

Now maybe I missed something in the op's post, but for her to demand unwatermarked images with no prior conversation on the matter is negligent on her part, not the shooter's

Me occasionally. TFP basically = Collaboration man.

 

[Trever1t]

Expectation. Why did she expect unwatermarked images? With me, I don't post client, unwatermarked images in my portfolio, all my images are watermarked. So any model working with me should fully expect to receive a watermarked image.

 

[Trever1t]

I'm on my phone and perhaps didn't read the OP's post in the same light that you all did. From what I've read and comprehended it sounds to me the model is acting arrogant and demanding something that should not be expected without prior conversation.

 

[Braineack]

I'm on my phone and perhaps didn't read the OP's post in the same light that you all did. From what I've read and comprehended it sounds to me the model is acting arrogant and demanding something that should not be expected without prior conversation.

exactly, maybe next time she'll learn to to go TFP shoots with her email address written in sharpie across her forehead.

 

[Trever1t]

I'd shoot that lolz

 

[DavidVote]

Expectation. Why did she expect unwatermarked images? With me, I don't post client, unwatermarked images in my portfolio, all my images are watermarked. So any model working with me should fully expect to receive a watermarked image.

If you call them models, then they must be doing it for a living right? Then what is the point of them putting in the time and effort in posing for you just to receive no benefits? Again, TFP = collaboration = beneficial to both sides.

 

[Forkie]

I'm on my phone and perhaps didn't read the OP's post in the same light that you all did. From what I've read and comprehended it sounds to me the model is acting arrogant and demanding something that should not be expected without prior conversation.

The prior conversation, that we can gather from the OP is that they agreed to a TFP shoot. Which, by all meanings of the phrase means to the mutual benefit of both parties. If watermarked images are not to the benefit of the model, then you have not honoured the widely accepted definition of the term "Time for (useable) Photos". If watermarked images are fine for the model, then good for you.

A model's time is as valuable as yours. You are providing each other with a service. Treating it as an exercise in getting as much benefit as possible out of someone whilst giving them as little benefit as possible is simply arrogant and deceptive.

 

[Trever1t]

Totally disagree.

you want things your way you pay me otherwise it's my way or the highway. To be fair I make that clear from the beginning.

 

[DavidVote]

Totally disagree.

you want things your way you pay me otherwise it's my way or the highway. To be fair I make that clear from the beginning.

If you want things your way then you pay them.

 

[Forkie]

Totally disagree

With what? That taking advantage of someone to your own benefit is arrogant and deceptive?

EDIT:

you want things your way you pay me otherwise it's my way or the highway. To be fair I make that clear from the beginning.

What a joy to work with you must be. Asking a model to sit for you for free, then telling them to pay for a useable image. Smooth.

 

[Trever1t]

I don't have to. Models come to me because they like my work and they want the experience of working with me.

 

[DavidVote]

I don't have to. Models come to me because they like my work and they want the experience of working with me.

Sorry, I'm also on my phone and I also might be reading it in the wrong light. But that sounded so egotistical.

There's no point in arguing with you.

 

[Trever1t]

I don't think I've ever had an unhappy model, I must be doing something wrong. Many, most of my models work with me multiple times. I shoot 7 to 12 models a month...when I'm able

 

[tirediron]

...If you call them models, then they must be doing it for a living right? Then what is the point of them putting in the time and effort in posing for you just to receive no benefits? Again, TFP = collaboration = beneficial to both sides.

There are even less people who make a living modelling than who do photographing, so it's unlikely that any but a very few make even pocket change modelling, BUT... as you sadi a collaborative effort. When I have an idea for lighting, a concept I want to try, etc, I will reach out to the local agency, Model Mayhem or similar for a TF*. Why wouldn't I give the model usable images? Her time is something I need, and at the end of the day, what do the really cost me? Not much. Likewise, if a model contacts me and pitches an idea that I think is useful, or that I'd like to work on.

OTOH, if he/she has an idea in which I see no portfolio benefit, or they just want a 'Z' sheet... full rates apply.

 

[Forkie]

...If you call them models, then they must be doing it for a living right? Then what is the point of them putting in the time and effort in posing for you just to receive no benefits? Again, TFP = collaboration = beneficial to both sides.

There are even less people who make a living modelling than who do photographing, so it's unlikely that any but a very few make even pocket change modelling, BUT... as you sadi a collaborative effort. When I have an idea for lighting, a concept I want to try, etc, I will reach out to the local agency, Model Mayhem or similar for a TF*. Why wouldn't I give the model usable images? Her time is something I need, and at the end of the day, what do the really cost me? Not much. Likewise, if a model contacts me and pitches an idea that I think is useful, or that I'd like to work on.

OTOH, if he/she has an idea in which I see no portfolio benefit, or they just want a 'Z' sheet... full rates apply.

Absolutely. If the model approaches you with something that you don't think you can benefit from, then fair enough. Either turn down the offer of a TFP, or charge them. But no one should be entering into a TFP with the intention of charging the model for images or not supplying them with images in a useable condition.