sony a77

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The reason with the professionals argument is because Skieur insisted that the SLT series were professional cameras in another thread.

As for "bang for the buck" the A390 and a550 doesn't cut 1/3 of one stop before it even reaches the sensor. It doesn't have a 1/10 of 1 second delay between the lens and the viewfinder.

Unfortunately, Sony seems to be going with this SLT "worst of both worlds" approach which isn't about any gain in function, but about saving money in production. Pellicle SLRs are cheap. That's the bottom line. They offer no significant advantage.

Phase detect AF and 10 fps isn't an advantage?

not really given the disadvantages.

 

[ConradM]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in my dabbling into Sony lenses I haven't found a normal zoom range for a crop camera with a 2.8 aperture. There's lots of other small areas that aren't there. And the point is with both canon and Nikon there are many more options.

They just released a 17-50 f2.8 if that's what you mean. Plus sigma and tamron produce almost all of there line in the A mount. The non stabilized version are more inexpensive. My point is that it's not a valid argument against Sony. The only area I have found them lacking is in the long telephoto range 400mm and longer. If a photog can afford a Nikon or canon 400 f2.8 then they should get one.

Don't get me wrong i'll never claim Sony are better than Nikon or Canon. Sony is certainly lacking several areas. Though I think they are a great choice for the more casual users. Those who will never spend $1000 on a lens or shoot with off camera flash. They have some great cameras a700 and a850/a900 in the pro range. Their current development is aimed towards beginners where are doing a great job. I will probably drop Sony in the next year or two. The a77 isn't for me. Though I'm curious what the a99 has to offer.

Well said.

 

[ConradM]

The reason with the professionals argument is because Skieur insisted that the SLT series were professional cameras in another thread.

As for "bang for the buck" the A390 and a550 doesn't cut 1/3 of one stop before it even reaches the sensor. It doesn't have a 1/10 of 1 second delay between the lens and the viewfinder.

Unfortunately, Sony seems to be going with this SLT "worst of both worlds" approach which isn't about any gain in function, but about saving money in production. Pellicle SLRs are cheap. That's the bottom line. They offer no significant advantage.

Phase detect AF and 10 fps isn't an advantage?

not really given the disadvantages.

Such as?

 

[unpopular]

If the a99 really will be using an APS-C or larger 3MOS sensor with 36 pixels per channel, it will be one hell of a camera (and i'd imagine pretty large) - it would work better if it was not a pellicle, but this arrangement should effectively compensate for lost signal.

 

[argieramos]

I think they believe you're delusional. And I kind of have to agree. The A77 has bad ISO performance from the reviews that I've read. And the autofocus is nothing to gawk at either.

I honestly don't understand what the big deal is. The A77 is a decent camera. It broke into the consumer market for high megapixel cameras. However, I don't know any professionals who use Sony. Maybe it's just me, but Sony has limited lenses, and their cameras are 'neat', but they are not what a pro looks for.

That's just it. Sony is consumer friendly, and "neat." They have a lot of intuitive software. It's just that most of that software probably seems gimmicky to professionals.

Show me the review that it says "bad" ISO performance. If you are not comparing the a77 to the Pentax K-5, Nikon D7000/D51000, Sony a580/Nex5n/7, and Full Frame cameras, you will see that the a77 is as good if not better than most DSLR. If you are saying that a77 has bad noise level, you might want to say that every single APS-C camera of Canon is also bad. You guys need to understand everything.

 

[gsgary]

Sounds like a biased tester.

No it is one of the top UK mags been going for decades, what i didn't know untill i read the reveiw was that it will only shoot 12Fps (and that is a stretch even with fast cards) in Auto if you shoot sports in manual like me it only shoots 8fps which is not the way i shoot anyway

Well, you are certainly NOT shooting at 8 fps or faster with any other camera at 24 megapixels for sports, so what's your problem?

skieur

The veiwfinder, the noise, very slow writting to card, after shooting 12 shots it took 13 seconds to write to the card these are the problems

 

[argieramos]

The veiwfinder, the noise, very slow writting to card, after shooting 12 shots it took 13 seconds to write to the card these ar the problem

Viewfinder - the advantage outweight the disadvantge of it over the OVF. whats the problem?
Writing to card- Get a fast card then
12 shots will take 13 seconds to write- Completely wrong
Noise- a77 noise level is as good as the Canon 7D. Are you saying all the canon suck?

How about the advantages?
face register- camera will remember the face of your subject and focus on them right away even in a crowded area
Dual Control Wheel- much easier to control the settings when doing manual mode
Live view- Sony LV is unmatch
Weather Sealed- Shoot in the rain
Extremely fast video autofocus
Extremely fast AF
In-body IS- Never to worry about not having IS lens
Panorama
Multi Frame Noise Reduction
Better Image quality than "all" Aps-c of Canon

 

[kassad]

Viewfinder - the advantage outweight the disadvantge of it over the OVF. whats the problem?
Writing to card- Get a fast card then
12 shots will take 13 seconds to write- Completely wrong
Noise- a77 noise level is as good as the Canon 7D. Are you saying all the canon suck?

How about the advantages?
face register- camera will remember the face of your subject and focus on them right away even in a crowded area
Dual Control Wheel- much easier to control the settings when doing manual mode
Live view- Sony LV is unmatch
Weather Sealed- Shoot in the rain
Extremely fast video autofocus
Extremely fast AF
In-body IS- Never to worry about not having IS lens
Panorama
Multi Frame Noise Reduction
Better Image quality than "all" Aps-c of Canon

Do you own an A77?

 

[o hey tyler]

The veiwfinder, the noise, very slow writting to card, after shooting 12 shots it took 13 seconds to write to the card these ar the problem

Viewfinder - the advantage outweight the disadvantge of it over the OVF. whats the problem?
Writing to card- Get a fast card then
12 shots will take 13 seconds to write- Completely wrong
Noise- a77 noise level is as good as the Canon 7D. Are you saying all the canon suck?

How about the advantages?
face register- camera will remember the face of your subject and focus on them right away even in a crowded area
Dual Control Wheel- much easier to control the settings when doing manual mode
Live view- Sony LV is unmatch
Weather Sealed- Shoot in the rain
Extremely fast video autofocus
Extremely fast AF
In-body IS- Never to worry about not having IS lens
Panorama
Multi Frame Noise Reduction
Better Image quality than "all" Aps-c of Canon

This guy is either

A. Extremely Sheltered

or

B. Hasn't done any research into the A77 and SLT cameras in general.

or

C. Is Skieur's blood relative.

 

[unpopular]

or perhaps even Skieur himself!

 

[argieramos]

This guy is either

A. Extremely Sheltered

or

B. Hasn't done any research into the A77 and SLT cameras in general.

or

C. Is Skieur's blood relative.

lol It's funny how you guys make such accusations without proving anything. I rented one from borrowlenses and I used to have the a33. I pretty much have knowledge about SLTs. If theres any error to my claim, tell me. Let's see which one of us who doesnt have a clue about this matter

 

[unpopular]

-1/3ev that's enough for me, at least with a traditional Bayer arrangement.

 

[kassad]

lol It's funny how you guys make such accusations without proving anything. I rented one from borrowlenses and I used to have the a33. I pretty much have knowledge about SLTs. If theres any error to my claim, tell me. Let's see which one of us who doesnt have a clue about this matter

I do have a few questions. How well does the face recognition work? From what I read it sounded too good to be true. How fast is then contrast detect autofocus compared to the phase detect autofocus? Do you any sample images of low light high iso shots?

 

[argieramos]

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon_EOS_7D-vs-Sony-A77
a77 pretty much destroy the Canon's top APS-C camera... the Canon 7D.

http://www.cameradebate.com/2011/canon-7d-vs-sony-a77/
It will tell you how good the EVF of a77

 

[argieramos]

I do have a few questions. How well does the face recognition work? From what I read it sounded too good to be true. How fast is then contrast detect autofocus compared to the phase detect autofocus? Do you any sample images of low light high iso shots?

Oh it is very good. Very helpful when doing wedding, Shooting a specific people. Once you got the the face register to the camera, it will focus to that face quickly. It works on video too. I will see if I find some high ISO shot. But for now, you can check the borrowlenses page they have some photos taken by the a77 with highISO. For what I can tell the results are very good unlike these haters making it sounds like its horrible.