sony a77

[Crollo]

The guy's nuts you're swinging from pretty much did.
http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...6573-changing-field-professional-cameras.html

Who's the retard now?

Why would someone making an option of comparison of APS-C to a FF? You are asking who is retard? Go find a mirror

Newsflash bro, the 1D Mk IV is a APS-H body. Last time I checked, it wasn't full frame.

To be fair I think many people are uneducated on the 1D series, as many of them could never dream of having one. I always thought all the 1Ds were full frame for a while too.

 

[o hey tyler]

Well, Crollo. You are correct, the 1Ds's are full frame... The 1D's however are not. So in a sense, your post is actually correct, only because you didn't use an apostrophe!

But yes, I agree. It is easy for many people to think that any "pro level" camera is automatically a full frame camera, when in fact that is not true.

 

[argieramos]

But argie - you just don't get it. Your arguments are mostly invalid or even just don't make any sense at all. People here with more experience than you are doing a very good job of explaining why, but you're just stuck on this a77 defense thing - and I have no idea why.

You're wrong. I am just merely stating some other facts you tend to ignore because of that hate that consumes you. I've been asking you about what things that you think that I don't know about, but you keep answering me with "nonsense,invalid argument,don't make sense". If you really got something, why is it hard for you to tell me?
Answer this. Who are these more experience people that doing a very good job of explaining? And what are they saying?

The camera, as a result of it's technology that DOES permit some interesting features has problems which some of us cannot tolerate. It's great that you love the a77 so much, and I am glad that it works for you, but there are inherent flaws in it's design. Some people maybe like having their entire buffer filled in a few seconds or having fast AF at the expense of a slight delay in visual feedback. But you have to understand that these ARE flaws, and regardless of what ever benefit you gain, they are drawbacks.

IMO the technology just is not quite ready yet.

How do you know the buffer filled in a few seconds? In 12fps and 24mp, it is not surprising that the buffer filled sooner than the competition. But how it will do in 8fps with a Delkin Elite card?
Is the delay in VF really that bad that it seems like a huge deal to you? What about the other form of delay like the greater shutter lag of DSLR?
There are definitely some drawbacks, but at the same time there are advantages. If you don't care about the advantages, that doesn't mean others will feel the same.

 

[argieramos]

Newsflash bro, the 1D Mk IV is a APS-H body. Last time I checked, it wasn't full frame.

ok cool. But correct me if I'm wrong, APS-H is still much bigger than APS-C?

 

[argieramos]

Have to say, I am enjoying winding up ArgieMoron! Hope all are enjoying the show.

And I enjoy crushing you in this thread hehehe!

 

[argieramos]

Can we see some wonderful shots you have taken with the A77

You gotta say please.

 

[cosmonaut]

I own the a77 and have been popping in and out of the thread for awhile. I did jump brands to get the a77. After weeks of reading reviews, looking at DXO marks and comparing features I chose the a77. It came down to three cameras. The Nikon D7000, Sony a77 or the Sony A850. The 850 or 900 fails mention in this thread for some reason? If you are going to compare a FF Canon to a Sony how about at least comparing it to another FF camera.
I didn't go with Nikon due to the fact their lenses are so expensive and I am not one to use kit lenses. I see no point in buying a sports car and putting cheap tires on it. Personally I think the a77 for it's price is the best camera on the market and the Nikon D7000 is it's equal. Sony makes Nikon sensors and from what rumors I have been reading Nikon is going to start making thier own, Nikon J1 is the first. The IQ isn't where you would expect with that camera.
I have been very pleased with the a77. So much so I also bought the NEX7. The IQ is incredible in large print. I have made prints as big as 24x36 and their are no jpeg artifacts, none. I mean not any. The 24mpix sensor doesn't produce more detail but a finer, smoother prints.
If I was on the sidelines at the Super Bowl and shot for a living would I have an a77, no. The buffer does fill up. I would be using a Canon or an A900. But for what I do the a77 more than fits.
One last thing. Sony has been true to the Minolta mount and there are hundreds of lenses choices at bargain prices. Like I said I have popped in and out of this thread and read all of the Sony bashing and I am not sure anyone here even owns a a77, but take it from an owner that has done the homework I am beyond pleased. The focus speed of the a77 is quick. Even in low light and a slow lens it doesn't hunt much. I have shot landscapes in very dark situations and I am not one to AF shooting landscapes but it will AF if I need it to. Plus the focus peaking feature is sweet.

 

[unpopular]

Focus peeking is the big reason I want to get an NEX-7.

 

[unpopular]

Is the delay in VF really that bad that it seems like a huge deal to you? What about the other form of delay like the greater shutter lag of DSLR?

It's really not that big of a deal to me, but when you're using it as the big reason why the pellicle is a good thing it is a big deal because it's really the only significant advantage.

If the lag really is an issue, then there is a constant minimum delay between the subject and the EVF. That means that no matter what is going on in the outside world, what is going on in the EVF is going to be behind. Reason tells me that this delay will increase in darker situations. There will always be some kind of delay, but if that delay is shorter than what we can perceive it's not an issue. People are saying though that this delay is significant, and the bus video confirms that when you need the delay to be the shortest, during rapid continuous drive, it actually becomes longer - which makes sense as the camera must reallocate it's resources to writing the file.

With a traditional SLR the delay not present at all. So while you cannot see the subject for the duration of the shutter plus a few microseconds as the mirror retracts and returns to it's original position, once it is at it's original position the subject and the image in the viewfinder are synchronous. I can very easily predict where an object will be within a few hundred milliseconds, provided that I have a biofeedback reference periodically about the position of the subject. The image between frames acts as that reference.

So what I am hearing is that there are two significant advantages to the a77 which does not apply to the NEX or traditional SLRs. High speed focus and rapid continuous drive with the ability to always see the subject. However, if the EVF is not as responsive as those two features, then they serve no purpose - and in the end you are left only with the disadvantage of increased analog gain to compensate for the pellicle.

 

[mjhoward]

So what I am hearing is that there are two significant advantages to the a77 which does not apply to the NEX or traditional SLRs when in live view mode. High speed focus and rapid continuous drive with the ability to always see the subject.

Fixed.

If not in live view mode, you get phase detect AF just like the A77. I don't know many professional shooters or even enthusiasts that prefer an EVF over an OVF so for 95% of the photography world, I'd say these advantages are moot.

 

[Nikon_Josh]

Can we see some wonderful shots you have taken with the A77

You gotta say please.

Yes let's PLEASE see some of your photos.. lets see you have some abilty past TALK TALK TALK, ArgieMoron.

 

[gsgary]

And not just Landscape, i want to see sports shots, concert shots and we will see how they compare to a proper camera

 

[Derrel]

cool. But correct me if I'm wrong, APS-H is still much bigger than APS-C?

Yes, APS-H, which by the way is being ELIMINATED, as the 1DX system merges two camera segments into a SINGLE professional body, is larger. APS-H is nominally 28.7mm x 19mm, or around 548 mm square in area. APS-C from Canon at 22.2 x 14.8 mm is 329mm square in area.

Nikon's version of APS-C has been larger than Canon's at around 23.6mm x 15.7mm, or around 370mm square. The very-newest Nikons use ever-so-slightly smaller sensor areas, but still more than the 1.6x crop factor ones Canon is using.

But yes--APS-H (1.3x FOV,nominally) at 548 mm square versus APS-C Canon (1.6x FOV, nominally) at 329mm square is a SIGNIFICANT size difference.

 

[argieramos]

Focus peeking is the big reason I want to get an NEX-7.

a77 has focus peaking too.

 

[cosmonaut]

Yes the a77 has focus peaking and also a level in the finder.