Sony a7s vs a7r

[enerlevel]

hello all,
I have just sold my canon kit for Sony. I always wanted a full frame camera but smaller in size... And these Sony cameras are just the kind of stuff I always wanted. Now I shoot plenty of family pic, general get together group shots , everyday snaps etc... Nothing professional .. However I do shoot raw and then save them in my computer for memories (don't print). Many would say a normal digital camera is enough for me , but I used to be a wedding photographer once and all the high end gears have spoilt me... However I always pixel peep at 100% before saving my photos. Also most of my shots are taken in restaurants or night party or dark lit rooms therefore high ISO is number 1 on my list. I have zero interest in video.
Now for the kit... I have enough to money to either buy
Sony a7s with 28-70 kit lens. Or
Sony a7r with kit lens and 55mm f1.8
Which one of these would you buy ?
Thanks

 

[sashbar]

If you worked as a wedding photog, you should know what lense is better suited for you for get together and restaurants and party shots. Why are you asking? I think the best advice will be the one you will give yourself.

 

[Benjo255]

I would buy a7s, no doubt. Few mpx in large sensor. That means no giant prints quality (but you said you don't print) and super ISO.
Everywhere I read, I read miracles of this camera at high ISO range. I've seen shots over 100.000 uso that are still perfectly usable. It will be mine, one day...

 

[goodguy]

A7s hands down!
Its low light performance is legendary and while 12MP isn't much considering the benefit I would get the "S" in a heart beat.

 

[enerlevel]

thanks all for replying.
I am just a bit confused because what if I down sample the images of a7R to 10megapixel ? will that hide or mask the noise level ? plus all the post online makes the a7s look like it's made for video and not stills ...
the max ISO i actually ever need is about 25,000 . To be honest I was pretty happy with my 6D and 24-70 f2.8 setup .. just that the size was not right for me

 

[jaomul]

Thing is full frame lenses will still be similar in size (this argument maybe getting old).

The a7s is hi iso expert, r has res and is supposed slow, before you buy the a7 mark 2 is like a half way house between both and will surely iron out some problems the line has as its a newish system

 

[gsgary]

Why have you missed out the A7 ? great in low light, I also don't understand anyone buying a camera and not printing the end product

 

[enerlevel]

yea I have thought about the a7, but unfortunately one of the suppliers whom I always deal with don't have it in stock. the a7s with 28-70 is costing me £1600. the same price is for the a7r with kit lens and a 55mm lens.
that's why I just have these two options available. Also like I said these are just random family shots which is why I do not print but I have all my pics saved on my computer.

 

[jaomul]

Get a different supplier

 

[PropilotBW]

Why have you missed out the A7 ? great in low light, I also don't understand anyone buying a camera and not printing the end product

Not everybody prints pictures. Some become screen savers on computers.

 

[gsgary]

yea I have thought about the a7, but unfortunately one of the suppliers whom I always deal with don't have it in stock. the a7s with 28-70 is costing me £1600. the same price is for the a7r with kit lens and a 55mm lens.
that's why I just have these two options available. Also like I said these are just random family shots which is why I do not print but I have all my pics saved on my computer.

London camera exchange where cheapest when I bought mine, I only bought body so I could use my Leica fit lenses

 

[PropilotBW]

Get a different supplier

I agree. A suppliers stock has never prevented me from getting the product I want. I'll find it elsewhere. Amazon has the A7 in stock for $1300 USD.

 

[gsgary]

When I bought mine they were in very short supply because of demand

 

[enerlevel]

for me the price is right because I have my old gears to sell as well. I have tried plenty of shops and although their selling price is good , yet their buying prices for used equipments are just too low. but yes if I was buying on cash, I would look somewhere else. therefore my supplier is giving me good second hand prices plus very very good new gear prices ... ( no one sells the a7s less than £2000 retail in the uk) plus I always wanted to go for a7r or a7s ..
looks like most of the members have gone with the a7s ...

 

[gsgary]

for me the price is right because I have my old gears to sell as well. I have tried plenty of shops and although their selling price is good , yet their buying prices for used equipments are just too low. but yes if I was buying on cash, I would look somewhere else. therefore my supplier is giving me good second hand prices plus very very good new gear prices ... ( no one sells the a7s less than £2000 retail in the uk) plus I always wanted to go for a7r or a7s ..
looks like most of the members have gone with the a7s ...

Not me I want to be able to print big but most of my printing is in the darkroom with film only bought A7 for colour shots