The changing field of professional cameras

[skieur]

I'm glad you recognise bull when you see it, because you certainly are full of BULL!

Can I say on behalf of the whole forum.. SHUT THE HELL UP and stop continuing this pointless Frickin Boring Thread. You are clearly INSANE!

So, you make up stories, such as the above when you are bored. This is only frustrating to you, because I won't accept your incorrect premise that Nikon is somehow better. It is similar to the Canon and Sony camera I mentioned in both specifications and image quality.

With more experience as a photographer, and when you get a chance to use different cameras, you might even learn that they are very similar in everything but design and placement of features.

skieur

So you've compared (and used) the A77, D7000, D3, D700, 5DII,7D, 60D, 1D all side by side?

You keep forgetting that my comparison was 3 cameras: Nikon D3X, Canon IDS Mark III, and Sony A77, side by side. I stick by that side by side comparison and will not get sidetracked.

skieur

 

[skieur]

I think it unlikely that Nikon will bring out a 36 mp camera to replace a 12mp. In any case Skieur you have limited knowledge about the differences between sensor sizes and their relationship to image quality. If you think it is all about number of mp you are very much mistaken. The Nikon or canon having a 36 mp sensor will not kill digital medium format. It's a different market. It's like saying crop will kill full frame and we know that's not true.

It has already been indicated that Sony has made a deal with Nikon for selling them the 36mp sensor and that a Nikon D800 will come out in February 2012. Sony in turn will come out with an A77 36 mp camera in April. I know all about sensor sizes but multiple sensors and blending high speed shots reduce picture noise too. Sony, Nikon or Canon 36 mp sensor will not kill medium format digital, but it will certainly squeeze the lower end of that market. Pros have noted that the medium format market is not as large as the one for digital single lens reflex cameras in the first place and that it will continue to decline.

skieur

 

[skieur]

Well. Skieur. I'm not going to fall for your insults.

But i do know that contrast detection is being used in the NEX, and yes, it is slower than phase contrast. But i think the reason why any manufacturer would produce a pellicle-type SLR still camera is to reduce cost, not to improve image quality.

Limited view of technology, eh? The EVF on the Sony A77 reduces vibration from the mirror producing greater sharpness, increases speed which permits new features such as in camera panorama, tilt-shift, and HDR, as well as better HD video, and produces a what you see is what you get image in exposure.
With all thoses pluses, it is an obvious direction to go.

skieur

 

[skieur]

this thread is hopeless

No, what is hopeless is your limited vision of photographic technology and your bias against one camera maker.

skieur

LMFAO. You realize I am using an a350 and plan to upgrade to an NEX-7, right?

There is talk about a Sony hibrid that uses both Nex lenses and Alpha lenses in the wings. I would consider whether it was worth waiting for or not.

I can't reconcile your comments with your A350 camera. It is a user-friendly camera that with the right lenses Zeiss, Sony G, and Minolta can produce some great shots.

skieur

 

[Ballistics]

So, you make up stories, such as the above when you are bored. This is only frustrating to you, because I won't accept your incorrect premise that Nikon is somehow better. It is similar to the Canon and Sony camera I mentioned in both specifications and image quality.

With more experience as a photographer, and when you get a chance to use different cameras, you might even learn that they are very similar in everything but design and placement of features.

skieur

So you've compared (and used) the A77, D7000, D3, D700, 5DII,7D, 60D, 1D all side by side?

You keep forgetting that my comparison was 3 cameras: Nikon D3X, Canon IDS Mark III, and Sony A77, side by side. I stick by that side by side comparison and will not get sidetracked.

skieur

Ok so you've used all 3 cameras side by side? Or did you "try them out". Because odds are you did not explore the cameras to their entirety.

 

[thereyougo!4]

I think it unlikely that Nikon will bring out a 36 mp camera to replace a 12mp. In any case Skieur you have limited knowledge about the differences between sensor sizes and their relationship to image quality. If you think it is all about number of mp you are very much mistaken. The Nikon or canon having a 36 mp sensor will not kill digital medium format. It's a different market. It's like saying crop will kill full frame and we know that's not true.

It has already been indicated that Sony has made a deal with Nikon for selling them the 36mp sensor and that a Nikon D800 will come out in February 2012. Sony in turn will come out with an A77 36 mp camera in April. I know all about sensor sizes but multiple sensors and blending high speed shots reduce picture noise too. Sony, Nikon or Canon 36 mp sensor will not kill medium format digital, but it will certainly squeeze the lower end of that market. Pros have noted that the medium format market is not as large as the one for digital single lens cameras in the first place and that it will continue to decline.

skieur

Perhaps you can point us to the Nikon announcement on this. Oh there isn't one! You're relying on internet rumours.

 

[mjhoward]

Well. Skieur. I'm not going to fall for your insults.

But i do know that contrast detection is being used in the NEX, and yes, it is slower than phase contrast. But i think the reason why any manufacturer would produce a pellicle-type SLR still camera is to reduce cost, not to improve image quality.

Limited view of technology, eh? The EVF on the Sony A77 reduces vibration from the mirror producing greater sharpness, increases speed which permits new features such as in camera panorama, tilt-shift, and HDR, as well as better HD video, and produces a what you see is what you get image in exposure.
With all thoses pluses, it is an obvious direction to go.

skieur

Well your 'views' are certainly one sided... for instance, you've failed to acknowledge that the mirror introduces 1/2 stop loss of light all the time. I'll take faster shutter speed advantage over the miniscule mirror vibration any day.

 

[unpopular]

No, what is hopeless is your limited vision of photographic technology and your bias against one camera maker.

skieur

LMFAO. You realize I am using an a350 and plan to upgrade to an NEX-7, right?

There is talk about a Sony hibrid that uses both Nex lenses and Alpha lenses in the wings. I would consider whether it was worth waiting for or not.

I can't reconcile your comments with your A350 camera. It is a user-friendly camera that with the right lenses Zeiss, Sony G, and Minolta can produce some great shots.

skieur

What comments? I like my a350 ok. it's kind of noisy, but I believe in shooting the lowest practical ISO anyway. The ergonomics aren't as good as my last 35mm SLR, but that was a Contax RX, which is in another league entirely.

My issue is with the SLT, and i never thought it was a good idea. I also recognize that Sony has never had very good luck in the professional market. But Leica isn't marketed at professionals, neither was Contax (aside from the 645).

Just because Sony does not excel at the "professional" market does not mean it's a shoddy product. In fact, as I said, the NEX-7 has a certain Contax quality about it - it's like the G2 I always wished for: one that I could afford

However, the SLT series never was intended as a professional camera, it was always intended as a mid-level platform, and in my opinion the SLT series have technological disadvantages which cannot ever be overcome. If you don't like, talk to whoever wrote the laws of physics.

My a350 isn't a "pro" body either, but that doesn't mean it can't take good pictures or one couldn't make money using it.

 

[Ballistics]

I want to see skieurs side by side comparison pics. Your pictures on the A77 better be flawless.

 

[skieur]

I'm glad you recognise bull when you see it, because you certainly are full of BULL!

Can I say on behalf of the whole forum.. SHUT THE HELL UP and stop continuing this pointless Frickin Boring Thread. You are clearly INSANE!

So, you make up stories, such as the above when you are bored. This is only frustrating to you, because I won't accept your incorrect premise that Nikon is somehow better. It is similar to the Canon and Sony camera I mentioned in both specifications and image quality.

With more experience as a photographer, and when you get a chance to use different cameras, you might even learn that they are very similar in everything but design and placement of features.

skieur

So you've compared (and used) the A77, D7000, D3, D700, 5DII,7D, 60D, 1D all side by side?

As you well know, by now. I am keeping the comparison to the 3 cameras I mentioned: Nikon D3x, Canon IDS Mark III, and the Sony A77.

skieur

 

[unpopular]

The EVF on the Sony A77 reduces vibration from the mirror producing greater sharpness

Most pro cameras have mirror lockup, and anything moving so slowly that you'd need this feature you wouldn't need live view, so really this is a non-issue.

camera panorama, tilt-shift, and HDR, as well as better HD video, and produces a what you see is what you get image in exposure.

Ok, well. You got me there. Silly toy features like these can't be done in camera with a traditional SLR. So if you want cruddy 8-bit panoramas, goofy, fake tilt-shift effects on cruddy 8-bit images and limited HDR functionality in-camera because you're too lazy to actually make a proper HDR then you'll definitely want an SLT - or a mirrorless interchangeable that has all these features except for the pellicle which permits slightly faster AF at the expense of signal.

Definitely, inherently foregoing image quality for toy features and faster AF is

an obvious direction to go.

right?

And as far as video, is this a still camera with video features or a video camera with still features?

 

[Nikon_Josh]

I think it unlikely that Nikon will bring out a 36 mp camera to replace a 12mp. In any case Skieur you have limited knowledge about the differences between sensor sizes and their relationship to image quality. If you think it is all about number of mp you are very much mistaken. The Nikon or canon having a 36 mp sensor will not kill digital medium format. It's a different market. It's like saying crop will kill full frame and we know that's not true.

It has already been indicated that Sony has made a deal with Nikon for selling them the 36mp sensor and that a Nikon D800 will come out in February 2012. Sony in turn will come out with an A77 36 mp camera in April. I know all about sensor sizes but multiple sensors and blending high speed shots reduce picture noise too. Sony, Nikon or Canon 36 mp sensor will not kill medium format digital, but it will certainly squeeze the lower end of that market. Pros have noted that the medium format market is not as large as the one for digital single lens reflex cameras in the first place and that it will continue to decline.

skieur

Nikon_Josh

(OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO WRITE YOUR NICKNAME AT THE END OF EACH POST SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHO YOU ARE)

 

[mjhoward]

Well your 'views' are certainly one sided... for instance, you've failed to acknowledge that the mirror introduces 1/2 stop loss of light all the time. I'll take faster shutter speed advantage over the miniscule mirror vibration any day.

Skieur,
why is it that you only respond to or acknowledge posts that either have nothing to do with your argument or support your argument? All that you have been saying all along is how superior and advantageous it is to have a full time EVF and phase detect AF during live-view. But when rational arguments against your views, such as the one I posted earlier today, point out the DRAWBACKS, you can't acknowledge them? There have been many posters here that provided valid points and reasoning for why full time EVF is not the "perfect" solution that you claim, which in fact has more drawbacks than advantages for professional shooters, and you cannot acknowledge that for some reason. Why?

<---- mjhoward

 

[Ballistics]

So, you make up stories, such as the above when you are bored. This is only frustrating to you, because I won't accept your incorrect premise that Nikon is somehow better. It is similar to the Canon and Sony camera I mentioned in both specifications and image quality.

With more experience as a photographer, and when you get a chance to use different cameras, you might even learn that they are very similar in everything but design and placement of features.

skieur

So you've compared (and used) the A77, D7000, D3, D700, 5DII,7D, 60D, 1D all side by side?

As you well know, by now. I am keeping the comparison to the 3 cameras I mentioned: Nikon D3x, Canon IDS Mark III, and the Sony A77.

skieur

Yes, I can see that you do ignore posts.

Ok so you've used all 3 cameras side by side? Or did you "try them out". Because odds are you did not explore the cameras to their entirety.

I said this.

You compared the 3 cameras you mentioned side by side? At the same time? And used them all in the same scenario?

 

[skieur]

Well. Skieur. I'm not going to fall for your insults.

But i do know that contrast detection is being used in the NEX, and yes, it is slower than phase contrast. But i think the reason why any manufacturer would produce a pellicle-type SLR still camera is to reduce cost, not to improve image quality.

Limited view of technology, eh? The EVF on the Sony A77 reduces vibration from the mirror producing greater sharpness, increases speed which permits new features such as in camera panorama, tilt-shift, and HDR, as well as better HD video, and produces a what you see is what you get image in exposure.
With all thoses pluses, it is an obvious direction to go.

skieur

Well your 'views' are certainly one sided... for instance, you've failed to acknowledge that the mirror introduces 1/2 stop loss of light all the time. I'll take faster shutter speed advantage over the miniscule mirror vibration any day.

"Sony has unveiled the SLT A55 and SLT A33, the first pair of cameras to incorporate the company's translucent mirror design. The Single Lens Translucent (SLT) cameras offer live view with full-time fast phase-detection AF whether in stills or movie shooting. This is achieved by having a fixed, semi-transparent mirror that redirects a small amount of light onto the AF sensor while allowing the rest through onto the main imaging sensor. "

No mention of a 1/2 stop loss of light here and it is definitely not from a Sony biased web site.

skieur