The changing field of professional cameras

[unpopular]

your mom isn't a valid comparison.

 

[skieur]

And the D3x was released exactly 3 years ago, and the Sony was released a couple months ago. Better yet, lets compare the A77 to a nikon D100.

You are cherry picking your arguments and it's getting kind of sad now.[/QUOTE

Not at all, you failed to mention that Sony live view has NOT changed in the last 3 years so it is a valid comparison.

skieur

mmkay, but nikon has changed their live view. Therefore it's not a valid comparison. See how that works?
Even if the live view was identical 3 years ago, (and something tells me it wasn't) you are comparing an issue that has been addressed over a course of 3 years. The live view for my D7000 is pretty easy to navigate. I guess that means it's a better camera than the D3?

Well, based on what you are saying and Derrel's definition the Nikon D3S is NOT a pro camera because it is NOT the best in current technology. Maybe the Canon IDS Mark III is NOT a pro camera either.????

skieur

 

[skieur]

your mom isn't a valid comparison.

You are the one that brought my mom into the discussion. Doesn't fit your expectation, eh??

skieur

 

[Derrel]

Well, based on what you are saying and Derrel's definition the Nikon D3S is NOT a pro camera because it is NOT the best in current technology.

skieur

Hey, stop putting words in my mouth...the Nikon D3s is a flagship camera, and is a professional camera...it has the absolute BEST high-ISO image quality, and the absolute BEST high-ISO video capture capabilities of any d-slr on the market. Again, stop being a douche. You cannot read English well enough to even begin to understand a complex sentence, and you seem to have difficulty with the simpler sentences as well...the single-digit Nikon and Canon bodies are clearly "professional" cameras. Please, stop being a douche and trying to misrepresent my "definition". I mentioned the single-digit Nikon and Canon bodies SPECIFICALLY, as being "professional" cameras. Can you not read, Canuck???

 

[skieur]

That's because you're in Canada, and she was competing against the same six other photographers

(sorry, couldn't resist)

Yah, but it is quality not quantity that counts. (couldn't resist either)

skieur

 

[Canuk]

Well, based on what you are saying and Derrel's definition the Nikon D3S is NOT a pro camera because it is NOT the best in current technology.

skieur

Hey, stop putting words in my mouth...the Nikon D3s is a flagship camera, and is a professional camera...it has the absolute BEST high-ISO image quality, and the absolute BEST high-ISO video capture capabilities of any d-slr on the market. Again, stop being a douche. You cannot read English well enough to even begin to understand a complex sentence, and you seem to have difficulty with the simpler sentences as well...the single-digit Nikon and Canon bodies are clearly "professional" cameras. Please, stop being a douche and trying to misrepresent my "definition". I mentioned the single-digit Nikon and Canon bodies SPECIFICALLY, as being "professional" cameras. Can you not read, Canuck???

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Hey Hey, don't lump me in with him, I'm Canuk. He's skieur, should not be confused. Haha.

 

[usayit]

Wow... you all still working post counts in this thread.

All i know is that most of the non-mainstream-media (small business owners) professionals I've run into are NOT shooting with the top level professional equipment. In fact, most of us hobby shooters are better equipped.. in some cases far better equipped.

They do just fine. I think "professional" tag line is more of a marketing thing..

 

[skieur]

Wow... you all still working post counts in this thread.

All i know is that most of the non-mainstream-media (small business owners) professionals I've run into are NOT shooting with the top level professional equipment. In fact, most of us hobby shooters are better equipped.. in some cases far better equipped.

They do just fine. I think "professional" tag line is more of a marketing thing..

Good point!

skieur

 

[skieur]

Well, based on what you are saying and Derrel's definition the Nikon D3S is NOT a pro camera because it is NOT the best in current technology.

skieur

Hey, stop putting words in my mouth...the Nikon D3s is a flagship camera, and is a professional camera...it has the absolute BEST high-ISO image quality, and the absolute BEST high-ISO video capture capabilities of any d-slr on the market. Again, stop being a douche. You cannot read English well enough to even begin to understand a complex sentence, and you seem to have difficulty with the simpler sentences as well...the single-digit Nikon and Canon bodies are clearly "professional" cameras. Please, stop being a douche and trying to misrepresent my "definition". I mentioned the single-digit Nikon and Canon bodies SPECIFICALLY, as being "professional" cameras. Can you not read, Canuck???

I am not misrepresenting your definition whatsover. When you defined professional camera you made no mention at all that dead companies or in your mind unpopular cameras made any difference at all. Do, I need to quote back to you, your original definition??

So, are you now trying to tell me that somehow the quality of the camera or the image produced is somehow influenced by how popular the camera is, or whether the company changed over a period of time or was not good in marketting?

Methinks, your limited, biased view is showing again, if this is the case.

Moreover it was pointed out by a Nikon supporter than the D7000 had more advanced liveview than the Nikon D3x. Well then according to your definition the Nikon D3x must NOT be best technology. The D7000 is apparently better. So the D3x is not a pro camera according to this definition but the D7000 is???? If this is the case, then it further screws up your definition, since you said that only the Nikon single digit cameras are pro cameras.

I have no problem understanding warped logic and definitions by you that don't stand up.

skieur

 

[skieur]

Let's all sing Kumbaya and celebrate the great products that bore the name Leicaflex, Konica, Konica/Minolta,Minolta, Mamiya/Sekor, Petri, and Miranda!!! Okay...we're done with that. Whew, that was a long three seconds.

Canada...home of 25 million people spread out over half of a continent...where a tractor isn't just a tractor--it's also your kid's first car!

or more likely a snow plough.

skieur

 

[skieur]

As to where I am coming from or going, it is simple. Canon, Nikon, and Sony are one,two and three in terms of DSLR cameras according to Popular Photography and other sources.

skieur

Is Popular Photography really a reputable source to be quoting? Even back in the 80's... the mag was so advertising ridden, that many reviews seemed biased. Really curious about opinions on this!

The lab tests were definitely NOT biased. The reviews needed to be read carefully for information that could be backed up by test results and made sense.

skieur

 

[Ballistics]

This nonsense is still going on?

 

[o hey tyler]

Yes, Skieur still refuses to see that the A77 will not be a camera that is well received among professional photographers. Mostly due to it's poor ISO handling, also due to the EVF.

 

[Ballistics]

mmkay, but nikon has changed their live view. Therefore it's not a valid comparison. See how that works?
Even if the live view was identical 3 years ago, (and something tells me it wasn't) you are comparing an issue that has been addressed over a course of 3 years. The live view for my D7000 is pretty easy to navigate. I guess that means it's a better camera than the D3?

Well, based on what you are saying and Derrel's definition the Nikon D3S is NOT a pro camera because it is NOT the best in current technology. Maybe the Canon IDS Mark III is NOT a pro camera either.????

skieur

Give it about 2 more months, and no it won't be. What you are doing is manipulating the current situation and playing semantic patty cake like a 14 year old girl. It's to the point where you are just embarrassing yourself and getting nothing accomplished. You think the A77 is as good as any camera on the market and there is no need for the 8 thousand dollar bodies. Right, we got it.

 

[terri39 10]

All: keep things pleasant during your discussion or the thread will be closed.

Thanks!