The DSLR is obsolete? Oh.

[nerwin]

Isn't this a rehash of one of your posts from a couple weeks ago ?

Of course not, don't be silly. A couple of weeks ago only Nikon was going out of business. Now all DSLR manufactures are going out of business.

See, completely different.

Hey, everything you read on the internet is true or becomes true.

Lol.

 

[astroNikon]

it's marketing

reality ... it does NOT have a mirror box so it's a little bit smaller.
if you want to use the same quality lenses, etc .. and say a FF or APS-C sensor the lenses are still going to be nearly as big. If you need more battery life then you need a bigger battery, thus making the body bigger,etc etc. In the end for a 1-1 MirrorlessSLR it's going to be nearly the same size. Add a nice Viewfinder and viola, nearly identical.

if they get the super fast FPS with AF between shots working well (then they can transplant that tech into DLSRs too, right ?)

it's just a camera above a P&S with various sized sensors from FF to small ones.

stop spending money and take pictures ... improve your photography. Experience & technique will improve anything more than equipment.

 

[nerwin]

it's marketing

reality ... it does NOT have a mirror box so it's a little bit smaller.
if you want to use the same quality lenses, etc .. and say a FF or APS-C sensor the lenses are still going to be nearly as big. If you need more battery life then you need a bigger battery, thus making the body bigger,etc etc. In the end for a 1-1 MirrorlessSLR it's going to be nearly the same size. Add a nice Viewfinder and viola, nearly identical.

if they get the super fast FPS with AF between shots working well (then they can transplant that tech into DLSRs too, right ?)

it's just a camera above a P&S with various sized sensors from FF to small ones.

stop spending money and take pictures ... improve your photography. Experience & technique will improve anything more than equipment.

I think its true that someday we will outgrow the mirror BUT I don't see why the camera needs to be smaller, some people much like my self and @robbins.photo like our chunky cameras because its comfortable.

If Nikon released a mirrorless camera that is the same size as a DSLR but has a ultra high res EVF, super long battery life, same great if not better AF and tracking, more FPS and the cool features of mirrorless tech today, I'd buy one.

 

[table1349]

That's why the last line of Sony Mirrorless was named BetaMax.

 

[goodguy]

So apparently DSLR cameras are obsolete because of mirrorless cameras. Listen, I have nothing against mirrorless cameras. I think they are fine little cameras but the are not the end-all solution, they are simply just another different tool in the bag.

I have a little story to tell you from my experiences this past weekend. I attended this HUGE car show in Carlisle, PA which almost had 4,000 cars (by the way, we placed second!). Saturday was a really long humid gloomy day but it was packed full of people like it always is every year.

I brought my D610 + 24-120 f/4 VR and walked around all day using my blackrapid strap, I didn't have a single problem. It was comfortable. Why do mirrorless vs DSLR debaters ALWAYS insist that us DSLR shooters carry our camera hanging around our necks?

When I was sitting behind our car we had on display and watching it put smiles on peoples faces, I decided to observe how many were using a mirrorless camera. Guess how many? NONE. I didn't not see one out of the 20,000 people that probably walk by our car. Okay, I'm exaggerating and sure there were some but they were few and far in between. Most of the time I saw people using their smart phone or a cheap point & shoot from Nikon and Canon. But what I did see a lot of is people using DSLRs, some are using full frame bodies, some are just your entry level bodies. I saw one guy walking around with a 70-200 2.8, others with fish eyes, others with just a 18-55 and everything in between.

If DSLRs are "obsolete" why do I see more of them over mirrorless cameras? I'm sorry...but DSLRs are not obsolete, not yet anyways. Maybe they never will. Who knows.

A lot of these mirrorless vs dslr debate articles you find are clickbait. I read one this morning and he was writing about how DSLR are dead because they are big and heavy, but yet he personally uses one of those Sony A7 cameras....lol, they are pretty much the same size as a DSLR. What a joke.

I'm just tired of this mirrorless vs dslr debate. Who cares anymore? Just shoot with what you have.

/rant

DSLR will be completely obsolete when both Canon and Nikon will make the move to mirrorless and will let you use their current lenses on these bodies.
If not then Sony will keep slowly bleeding more and more DSLR users to their system.

Mirrorless size advantage was their big thing but if anyone saw DigitalRev TV review of Sony's new 24-70mm 2.8 G lens saw how huge it looks on the A7 camera and Kay mentions it like 100 times throughout the review.
I can only imagine how weird and unbalanced this camera will be with the new 70-200mm 2.8 lens mounted on it

 

[astroNikon]

it's marketing

reality ... it does NOT have a mirror box so it's a little bit smaller.
if you want to use the same quality lenses, etc .. and say a FF or APS-C sensor the lenses are still going to be nearly as big. If you need more battery life then you need a bigger battery, thus making the body bigger,etc etc. In the end for a 1-1 MirrorlessSLR it's going to be nearly the same size. Add a nice Viewfinder and viola, nearly identical.

if they get the super fast FPS with AF between shots working well (then they can transplant that tech into DLSRs too, right ?)

it's just a camera above a P&S with various sized sensors from FF to small ones.

stop spending money and take pictures ... improve your photography. Experience & technique will improve anything more than equipment.

I think its true that someday we will outgrow the mirror BUT I don't see why the camera needs to be smaller, some people much like my self and @robbins.photo like our chunky cameras because its comfortable.

If Nikon released a mirrorless camera that is the same size as a DSLR but has a ultra high res EVF, super long battery life, same great if not better AF and tracking, more FPS and the cool features of mirrorless tech today, I'd buy one.

Yeah, a nice BIG clear EVF sitting in the middle on top of the camera body right where the prism box would sit. Perfect. But now need the EVF to be instantaneous instead of delayed.

I like my EVF and LCD but the image is delayed especially noticeable if it's moving.

 

[nerwin]

it's marketing

reality ... it does NOT have a mirror box so it's a little bit smaller.
if you want to use the same quality lenses, etc .. and say a FF or APS-C sensor the lenses are still going to be nearly as big. If you need more battery life then you need a bigger battery, thus making the body bigger,etc etc. In the end for a 1-1 MirrorlessSLR it's going to be nearly the same size. Add a nice Viewfinder and viola, nearly identical.

if they get the super fast FPS with AF between shots working well (then they can transplant that tech into DLSRs too, right ?)

it's just a camera above a P&S with various sized sensors from FF to small ones.

stop spending money and take pictures ... improve your photography. Experience & technique will improve anything more than equipment.

I think its true that someday we will outgrow the mirror BUT I don't see why the camera needs to be smaller, some people much like my self and @robbins.photo like our chunky cameras because its comfortable.

If Nikon released a mirrorless camera that is the same size as a DSLR but has a ultra high res EVF, super long battery life, same great if not better AF and tracking, more FPS and the cool features of mirrorless tech today, I'd buy one.

Yeah, a nice BIG clear EVF sitting in the middle on top of the camera body right where the prism box would sit. Perfect. But now need the EVF to be instantaneous instead of delayed.

I like my EVF and LCD but the image is delayed especially noticeable if it's moving.

The delay is a little annoying on my RX100 M3..some people say you don't notice it but when you are used to using a OVF, you notice it clearly.

 

[Braineack]

I don't notice EVF delay, I notice MAJOR startup delay.

 

[nerwin]

I don't notice EVF delay, I notice MAJOR startup delay.

Start up delay as in turning the camera on or switching to viewfinder?

 

[Braineack]

turning on the camera and waiting for it to be able to take a picture. Part of it is waiting for the kit lens to extend.

 

[robbins.photo]

turning on the camera and waiting for it to be able to take a picture. Part of it is waiting for the kit lens to extend.

Have you tried playing the Girl From Ipanema while you wait?

 

[Braineack]

 

[astroNikon]

you should leave the camera on at all times. That will alleviate startup.

Don't worry, the instant on mirrorless cameras will come out soon obsoleting all existing mirorrless cameras.

 

[nerwin]

you should leave the camera on at all times. That will alleviate startup.

Don't worry, the instant on mirrorless cameras will come out soon obsoleting all existing mirorrless cameras.

I left my D610 on in my bag for over a week. Still had full charge.

I think my RX100 M3 will shut it self off after 2 minutes of no activity.

 

[Solarflare]

The reason why people believe DSLRs are on the way out is because mirrorless keep selling, while DSLRs are on a slow decline.

Why ? Because if you have a decently current camera, you're all set. A D700 for example is still a great camera and 12 Megapixel are still plenty of resolution. Heck, even a Canon 5D still can do just as good images as back when it was released.

While I'm looking into mirrorless - specifically into the rumored Fuji medium format that might come soon - even if I would get into it, for the forseeable future I still plan keeping my DSLR as my main system.