Wedding Photag. Gear

[oldmacman]

Big surprise... :thumbdown:

Do you even own a camera or do you just start crap on forums? You seem to be an expert on negative forum affairs, after all.

Well who ever you are talking too can be expertly negatively sure that the Abraham Lincoln never said what you credit in the quote you had in your last post

"Use your better judgement, most of what you read on the Internet are opinions, not facts. Even more so, opinions stated as facts." - Abraham Lincoln

It's irony. Of course Abraham Lincoln couldn't have been quoted on the Internet. Giving credit to Lincoln lends credence to the quote.

 

[Light Artisan]

Thanks oldmacman, I never thought I'd have to explain my sig

 

[flea77]

Ehhh... I don't think it's total BS Keith; you're right, low-light is an expensive area to work in, but there's lots of other areas, landscapes, outdoor portraits, etc, where someone can make award-winning images with the cheapest body and lens. Look at it this way: How far ahead in IQ is even the cheapest lens made today compared to that which Ansel Adams used? Seems to me people still like his pictures pretty well.

Adams used cameras ranging from I believe 4x5 to 11x14 for his serious work, that translates into 330MP to 2,540MP (using Ilford Delta 100 as a reference at 160 lines per mm). Find me a cheap camera that will take a single frame 2,540MP image with the latitude of Ilford Delta 100 I'll take two :lmao:

Allan

 

[sobolik]

Big surprise... :thumbdown:

Do you even own a camera or do you just start crap on forums? You seem to be an expert on negative forum affairs, after all.

Well who ever you are talking too can be expertly negatively sure that the Abraham Lincoln never said what you credit in the quote you had in your last post

"Use your better judgement, most of what you read on the Internet are opinions, not facts. Even more so, opinions stated as facts." - Abraham Lincoln

It's irony. Of course Abraham Lincoln couldn't have been quoted on the Internet. Giving credit to Lincoln lends credence to the quote.

No. Crediting Lincoln with the quote is presenting false information. You don't claim that someone said something so that it gains credence. If it is harmful it is legally libel. The parts that were not Lincolns words should be indicated as such.

 

[amanda0908]

Wow...this entire forum is full of a bunch of egotistical jackasses that think they are God's gift to photography. Not sure why everyone jumps everyone's case around here, this is, afterall, a BEGINNER'S forum, so if you are so magnificent, why don't you wander your way out of the beginner forum. A lot of people get on these forums to learn, not to read what some jackass that takes mediocre pictures and works at the Wal-Mart photo studio thinks. Clearly not many people on here shoot weddings because of their lack of ability and people skills. My opinion is that everyone on this forum (with a few exceptions) is so rude because they are completely worried that they aren't very good and someone with actual talent might someday swoop in and snag what few clients they may have.

 

[misstwinklytoes]

No one can take my clients!


Cause I have none!

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Well who ever you are talking too can be expertly negatively sure that the Abraham Lincoln never said what you credit in the quote you had in your last post

"Use your better judgement, most of what you read on the Internet are opinions, not facts. Even more so, opinions stated as facts." - Abraham Lincoln

It's irony. Of course Abraham Lincoln couldn't have been quoted on the Internet. Giving credit to Lincoln lends credence to the quote.

No. Crediting Lincoln with the quote is presenting false information. You don't claim that someone said something so that it gains credence. If it is harmful it is legally libel. The parts that were not Lincolns words should be indicated as such.

OMG! :lmao:

 

[usayit]

Wow...this entire forum is full of a bunch of egotistical jackasses that think they are God's gift to photography. Not sure why everyone jumps everyone's case around here, this is, afterall, a BEGINNER'S forum, so if you are so magnificent, why don't you wander your way out of the beginner forum. A lot of people get on these forums to learn, not to read what some jackass that takes mediocre pictures and works at the Wal-Mart photo studio thinks. Clearly not many people on here shoot weddings because of their lack of ability and people skills. My opinion is that everyone on this forum (with a few exceptions) is so rude because they are completely worried that they aren't very good and someone with actual talent might someday swoop in and snag what few clients they may have.

Sorry you feel that way.... but consider this


Your clients are going to redefine the term "jackass" and then some if they aren't happy with the final product from a once in a life time event that cannot be redone.

Perhaps there is a new market out there but rarely do people hire wedding photographers who describe themselves as "beginner". Zero to bankruptcy is surprisingly quick in this country.

Don't let the responses here discourage you but you should filter some of the good points made. If this thread does anger you or discourage you, then consider how much more heated it will be facing unhappy jackasses in person.... may be across the table with their lawyer. Brides are some of the most unreasonable people to satisfy.... thank god it wasn't my business on the line.


good luck

 

[ajkramer87]

Sobolik do you have an online portfolio? Id like to see these wedding shots that you used basic equipment on that you seem to think are so good that you dont think anyone needs to buy better lenses.

2 things.

1) I don't have model releases for the wedding photos nor do I care to get any. I am not here to peddle my work but to help others.

2) The attack dogs on forums would love nothing better than to use a photo - any photo - of mine as an excuse for their attacks. After all I GASP! question sacred cows like fast glass. GASP! An infidel how dare he - we must attack. - It happens all the time on forums.

From your tone I highly suspect your are ready to attack all you need is one sight of my photo, any one of them will do

ps try reading for understanding I never said "dont think anyone needs to buy better lenses" YOU did!

pss from your bragging list following your post I can see why you are so bent out of shape. 2.8, 2.8, 1.8, 1.8 Sacred cow being questioned?

Not looking to attack, just want to see that you can back up all that diarrhea running out of your mouth. Im not bent out of shape in least. 3 of those 4 lenses I bought used. Ive spent a grand total of 1400 on all my lenses. Now tell me thats to much to have 4 great pieces glass.

 

[amanda0908]

Wow...this entire forum is full of a bunch of egotistical jackasses that think they are God's gift to photography. Not sure why everyone jumps everyone's case around here, this is, afterall, a BEGINNER'S forum, so if you are so magnificent, why don't you wander your way out of the beginner forum. A lot of people get on these forums to learn, not to read what some jackass that takes mediocre pictures and works at the Wal-Mart photo studio thinks. Clearly not many people on here shoot weddings because of their lack of ability and people skills. My opinion is that everyone on this forum (with a few exceptions) is so rude because they are completely worried that they aren't very good and someone with actual talent might someday swoop in and snag what few clients they may have.

Sorry you feel that way.... but consider this


Your clients are going to redefine the term "jackass" and then some if they aren't happy with the final product from a once in a life time event that cannot be redone.

Perhaps there is a new market out there but rarely do people hire wedding photographers who describe themselves as "beginner". Zero to bankruptcy is surprisingly quick in this country.

Don't let the responses here discourage you but you should filter some of the good points made. If this thread does anger you or discourage you, then consider how much more heated it will be facing unhappy jackasses in person.... may be across the table with their lawyer. Brides are some of the most unreasonable people to satisfy.... thank god it wasn't my business on the line.


good luck

I also love how everyone on here assumed I am trying to make a business out of it straight off the bat. First, I am currently taking classes so I CAN learn valuable techiniques, etc. Second, I'm sure you and everyone else has noticed- gear can get expensive quick. If I'm looking to do weddings in the future I think it would be irresponsible to have no clue what gear would be needed to do a wedding and thinking I could go out and buy it all at once. Some of you may have that option, I don't. My husband is in the army and we get moved around constantly, so I couldn't even settle down to make a career out of it until he retires. So, I am trying to get a good idea of what gear is most desirable for weddings so that I can start buying it piece by piece as budget allows. I've been making steady income from portraiture for several years, but that is an entire world away from doing a wedding. I've also done three weddings (not many, obviously) and one of them I was thrown into as the bride was arriving because the photographer never showed. The camera? A Samsung point-and-shoot. The results? Beautiful. So no, I won't let anyone discourage me around here...I just find it a little rediculous and immature that people have to be so hostile over a simple question.

 

[usayit]

Fine... say what you say....

But do realize that there is really nothing specific about equipment for wedding. No more than a there is a specific pen for fiction and non-fiction composition. Go and study, practice, and learn. Once you obtain a certain level of experience, you and only you will decide what equipment best suites your needs. Trust me... when you get to that point, you will look back on this thread and laugh.

Asking an internet forum what type of equipment is necessary is like your Husband posting "what type of weapon is best used in Iraq?" Its absurd to think that any trained soldier wouldn't already know. No different than a beginner asking for an equipment list for wedding photography.


Simply put.... you are placing the carriage before the horse... carriage being equipment and horse being experience.


In the many years I have been on the TPF, I have not once seen a thread with a "real" professional flat out asking for an equipment list. Why? Because they already have an idea. Specifics on equipment and technique...yes... but not generalized questions.

 

[amanda0908]

Fine... say what you say....

But do realize that there is really nothing specific about equipment for wedding. No more than a there is a specific pen for fiction and non-fiction composition. Go and study, practice, and learn. Once you obtain a certain level of experience, you and only you will decide what equipment best suites your needs. Trust me... when you get to that point, you will look back on this thread and laugh.

Asking an internet forum what type of equipment is necessary is like your Husband posting "what type of weapon is best used in Iraq?" Its absurd to think that any trained soldier wouldn't already know. No different than a beginner asking for an equipment list for wedding photography.


Simply put.... you are placing the carriage before the horse... carriage being equipment and horse being experience.


In the many years I have been on the TPF, I have not once seen a thread with a "real" professional flat out asking for an equipment list. Why? Because they already have an idea. Specifics on equipment and technique...yes... but not generalized questions.

I get what your saying, and I don't necessarily think you're wrong, but let's look at it this way: If you are going to a police academy (which I have) to be a police officer (which I've been), do you not need a list of gear to buy before beginning the academy? Yes, you do. There are a hundred different gear belts, a hundred different handcuffs, more than I can count styles of boots, etc. Most, you need to know what type of sidearms are used in the field. You can't just walk into any department looking to get hired with ANY firearm, only specific firearms are allowed. Just like you wouldn't walk in to shoot a wedding with just any lens. So you need a list to look at, rent different models to shoot for yourself, and then ultimately decide for yourself which you like best. As you can see, this demonstrates both of our points. You need a list to start from, and then you can test different lenses to see what will suit you best.

 

[usayit]

Understood... but there is one fatal flaw in your assessment.

You don't go to school for wedding photography. You go to school for JUST photography.

Police officers don't enroll into school equipped for the beat. That happens during and after their training. Enrollees that have an in depth knowledge of side arms do so because of an interest that has spawned in firearms regardless of their decision to enroll.

I am have taken several courses of what would have gone towards a 2 year photo technology degree (done while i was unemployed). Not a single course was specific to wedding photography... you need to build a foundation first then specialize. By then you'll have all the answers you seek.

 

[Light Artisan]

I think half the problem is that this thread is too close to this one:
http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...m-photo-gallery/229725-kit-lens-weddings.html

 

[oldmacman]

Well who ever you are talking too can be expertly negatively sure that the Abraham Lincoln never said what you credit in the quote you had in your last post

"Use your better judgement, most of what you read on the Internet are opinions, not facts. Even more so, opinions stated as facts." - Abraham Lincoln

It's irony. Of course Abraham Lincoln couldn't have been quoted on the Internet. Giving credit to Lincoln lends credence to the quote.

No. Crediting Lincoln with the quote is presenting false information. You don't claim that someone said something so that it gains credence. If it is harmful it is legally libel. The parts that were not Lincolns words should be indicated as such.

Think of it this way...
The quotation indicates, "...most of what you read on the Internet is opinion, not fact." Abraham Lincoln didn't really say the quotation. It proves the statement by placing false credit to the author... irony/subtle attempt at humour. Get it?