Wedding photos

[gsgary]

Well how about that with the request from the Professional photographer I asked to post this which is his/her work. And we are still unhappy so is it the work is that bad since this photographer has been in business for 20 yrs. How do you stay in business if you are a bad photographer??? Can this be explained or am I just the target for your unhappiness. Please explain your intentions I knew when I posted mine that they were not the best in the world somethings or people can not be controlled they will do what they want. So the newest photo was not free a professional photographer she paid high dollar for so explain how it is grandma style it is a basic shot of her and the girls do they not do any group photos anymore in weddings??? The bride picked the location the photographer lined them up and took the photo.

The brickwork behind them looks more in focus and the whites are overexposed and you look to have camera shake due to low shutter speed

 

[Geaux]

The new image, the dress is overblown badly.

You keep blaming your bad shots on the couple. Truth is, if they don't want to pose, YOU do the moving. Get down lower, move around them, work on angles etc. Not sure how an underexposed shot is on them though and i think that's the most glaring issue at hand and that's your fault. Learn metering, exposure triangle, etc. If it were just composition issues, those will be easily correctly later on in your 'profession', but your issues are starting with the beginning of learning.

You say to post some of our noob shots? Here's an engagement session with a d3000 almost exactly 6 months after I got the camera (first time with dslr or slr)

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Gary was commenting on your photos, not the pro one. At least, thats how I saw it.

Which is funny, because I was going to say how much better you did with the last one posted, but alas...it wasn't even yours.

I have to agree with Peanut, about taking pictures of people that don't want to play along. You can get them to loosen up. You may pull your hair out trying, but you have to try to find that weakness. Dealing with people is an art. Getting them to loosen up takes skill.

 

[quickphotography78]

How do you know he was talking about mine he made a reference to the brick wall. I knew mine were not the best didn't expect the best comments but after following this forum I see not many people have much nice to say. I was trying to prove a point that no matter if it is a professional shot or not you all have something negative to say,why is that? I have seen good and bad on here but it is the same people that have nothing nice to say. I know weddings are fast paced so as i said first one no training no experience. I have been told not inspiring I knew that but I see a lot of basic shot or poses that get praise on here how is that inspiring?? As for geaux I see those shots on every photography blog that I have looked at nothing new but at least they are smiling, i'm not knocking it. I think not matter what I post it comes out bad even though there are some good ones on here where there are actual suggestions on what to fix but not like this post

 

[RedWylder]

I think you just need to accept that you can't get better without negative comments. You can either take it personal or find advice somewhere else. No one was being mean-they were simply stating facts. I had to learn this the hard way as well with my first post. I'll never forget my first ever comment "Those do nothing for me"...it stung but after pondering a while I realized I could either sit and mope, argue with the poster about why they shouldn't be so mean, or I could accept the criticism and try to use it to make my pictures better. Live and learn...if you know the pictures aren't great, expect to be told EXACTLY how they aren't great.

 

[Geaux]

As for geaux I see those shots on every photography blog that I have looked at nothing new but at least they are smiling, i'm not knocking it.

Wow, on EVERY photography blog.....?

Properly Exposed shots on every photog blog > Underexposed Snapshots

... but that's just my opinion. Not knocking ya though.

 

[quickphotography78]

wasn't talking about properly exposed photos talking about poses. I was always told don't copy what others do do your own thing what you like.

 

[mc1979]

The new image, the dress is overblown badly.

You keep blaming your bad shots on the couple. Truth is, if they don't want to pose, YOU do the moving. Get down lower, move around them, work on angles etc. Not sure how an underexposed shot is on them though and i think that's the most glaring issue at hand and that's your fault. Learn metering, exposure triangle, etc. If it were just composition issues, those will be easily correctly later on in your 'profession', but your issues are starting with the beginning of learning.

You say to post some of our noob shots? Here's an engagement session with a d3000 almost exactly 6 months after I got the camera (first time with dslr or slr)

I just love it when I see good pics with with the D3000! This is what I have, my first DSLR. What lens were you using if you don't mind me asking?

 

[FranDaMan]

wasn't talking about properly exposed photos talking about poses. I was always told don't copy what others do do your own thing what you like.

Sure, it's not like every single pose hasn't been done allready.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

How do you know he was talking about mine he made a reference to the brick wall.

I didn't see the later comment about the brick wall, when I was posting. I didn't "know", I made an assumption, thus my "that's how I saw it".

I knew mine were not the best didn't expect the best comments but after following this forum I see not many people have much nice to say.

People come here to find out what other people think so they can improve, and that really comes from hearing the negatives.
It IS a beginners forum, so do you think the majority of comments are going to be glowing?

If you want glowing reviews of your work, stick to the four "F's" Flickr, Facebook, Family and Friends.
A lot of criticism is opinion based, and you can take on board as much of it as you want. It's up to you to decide what is of value.

I was trying to prove a point that no matter if it is a professional shot or not you all have something negative to say,why is that?

Just because it was done by a pro doesn't instantly make it good. There are good pros, and notso good pros. The pro shot you posted was an improvement over yours, but there were still issues with it. Even that "pro" has room for improvement.

A customer (non-photo) gave me a great compliment the other day. They said they have been really pleased with my work, but they see I just keep getting better. I am not the best at what I do, I am better than most, though. I learn with every job, and freely admit that I AM still learning, and am getting better, slowly, with every job I do. Pro photography is like that too. Every job has nuanced issues for the pro to deal with, nothing is ever the same situation. As you keep shooting, you too will keep getting better, as long as you know where you failed in the past, and make corrections. Knowing where you failed is key to YOUR success.

I have seen good and bad on here but it is the same people that have nothing nice to say. I know weddings are fast paced so as i said first one no training no experience. I have been told not inspiring I knew that but I see a lot of basic shot or poses that get praise on here how is that inspiring?? As for geaux I see those shots on every photography blog that I have looked at nothing new but at least they are smiling, i'm not knocking it. I think not matter what I post it comes out bad even though there are some good ones on here where there are actual suggestions on what to fix but not like this post

Honestly, I don't think your ideas of what is good and bad is fully developed yet.

 

[lyonsroar]

How do you know he was talking about mine he made a reference to the brick wall. I knew mine were not the best didn't expect the best comments but after following this forum I see not many people have much nice to say.

There are two kinds of members on TPF: the soft and fuzzy members (ie; great shots! Print and frame) and the realistic members (ie; underexposed, OOF, uninspiring.) You seem to have attracted the realistic ones, congratulations, now you can actually learn something! :thumbup:

but it is the same people that have nothing nice to say.

Maybe because there truly is nothing nice to say about the photos? Just a thought...

I know weddings are fast paced so as i said first one no training no experience.

You started out by making excuses. Bad move. :thumbdown:

I have been told not inspiring I knew that but I see a lot of basic shot or poses that get praise on here how is that inspiring??

Because at least they are exposed correctly... :thumbup:

As for geaux I see those shots on every photography blog that I have looked at nothing new but at least they are smiling,

I think Geaux would like to know which blogs specifically so he can pursue legal action...

i'm not knocking it.

yes, yes you are

I think not matter what I post it comes out bad even though there are some good ones on here where there are actual suggestions on what to fix but not like this post

Where are the good ones? We have given you suggestions, but you choose to ignore them and just make more excuses. :thumbup:

 

[Peanuts]

I am assuming since you are so wonderful at knowing what is best you have been doing this for a long time and from day one you photos were perfect.

Straw man fallacy.

This thread isn't worth me investing more time in it. Good luck in the future.

 

[jmtonkin]

I'm not even going to make any comments about your pictures.

What I will say, however, is that I think you need to take a step back and listen, REALLY listen to what everyone was saying. When I posted my first pictures, I was looking for exactly what you were looking for, idea on how to improve. Let's just say, that's not what I got. At first, I got defensive just as you did. I was really upset because I go to these other threads and everyone is getting suggestion, and that's all that I wanted. When I actually stepped back and thought about what they were saying, I realized that they were helping me out in ways that I hadn't understood. Once I realized that, I was more open and eventually I got what I had been looking for, just in a much more round about way.

This isn't exactly the same scenerio but I think it would be helpful for you to have a look at.

http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...llery/243608-critique-suggestions-please.html

Don't get me wrong, there are still people out there who like to throw in some backhanded comments, but most of the people on here, from what I've seen, are really just looking to help.

 

[loopy]

I did a wedding for a friend's sister fresh out of high school on the cheap. At the time I was pleased with the results and the "client" loved them too. Looking back... well....we all have to start somewhere.

People on this forum don't sugar coat, and may come across as rude from time to time. Don't take offense to criticism, use it to improve your work.

 

[Shadowbox]

How do you know he was talking about mine he made a reference to the brick wall. I knew mine were not the best didn't expect the best comments but after following this forum I see not many people have much nice to say.

There are two kinds of members on TPF: the soft and fuzzy members (ie; great shots! Print and frame) and the realistic members (ie; underexposed, OOF, uninspiring.) You seem to have attracted the realistic ones, congratulations, now you can actually learn something! :thumbup:

There are also a third kind, those who do not contribute anything constructive or useful but are just plain rude and mean. What astounds me is that people can come on the forums and say 'you suck' (ex) but then they are all offended when the response to that isn't exactly warm. You (not meaning you lyonsroar) shouldn't say anything if you aren't prepared for the various reactions. Just like we shouldn't post photos on here if we aren't prepared to hear the worst.

I think the problem here is that some people do not offer a critique, they just vent their own frustrations. It's more obvious to the new members because we aren't as jaded or use to seeing it. While I appreciate constructive criticism when I post, I do not appreciate blanket statements that have no value whats so ever like 'no good' 'this sucks' 'bad picture' .. etc. While I can take from those types of comments that my photo's need improvement, I can't say what KIND of improvement it needs. I'm not defending the OP, I just don't think the OP means to offend you all by standing up for him/herself .. I think it's just a matter of communication.

I took the original critiques from my first photo thread and applied them to my photography. It helped. Thank you all who offered it. I appreciated that because it helped me to grow as an aspiring photographer. I took comments that were mocking or rude & had no relevance to the question or photo's I posted and learned from those too- don't take people online TOO seriously. There will always be the third type of person- the negative ninny, the sarcastic sam, the harsh harry (lol) but all you can do is focus on the helpful and positive and forget about the rest. Peanuts is a great help and you were lucky to have her offer you advice, take it and ignore what you want. It's up to you to decide what is worth applying to your photography.