What browser do you use?

[OrionsByte]

Chrome for me.

 

[Compaq]

Chrome for me.

+1

 

[JClishe]

IE9

 

[jdag]

Chrome...love the profile and bookmark syncing. And it is clean and fast.

 

[clarinetJWD]

Really? Never heard that.



Well, since Chrome fails to process embedded ICC profiles and therefore displays all photographs incorrectly, I use Firefox. On the Mac I use Safari which, like Firefox, works correctly.

Joe

Interesting...

I use Chrome. I'll have to compare the way it displays images to Safari because I don't think I've ever noticed a difference... that's not to say there ISN'T one... I'm just saying I never noticed, haha. Now I'm curious.

An RGB-JPEG photo is tagged with an ICC profile that references the color space. To properly display the photo's colors the RGB values must be decoded using the referenced color space, for example sRGB. Chrome ignores the ICC profile and as a result displays photos incorrectly. The underlying assumption is that photos for the web should be tagged sRGB as opposed to some other color space and then it's OK to display them and ignore the profile. There's some validity to this in that sRGB was created to be a good match to electronic displays. The difference in appearance may be minor, but ignoring a photo's ICC profile really is wrong; the profile is there for a reason. If you really want to check out the issue:

WEB BROWSER COLOR MANAGEMENT Tutorial - Test Page FireFox Safari Chrome Internet Explorer IE 9- FILES have embedded ICC profiles Photoshop ColorManagement

Joe

Very interesting! I knew my sites looked better in firefox than chrome, but until now, had no idea why.

As for editing CSS live, firebug allows it as well, so there's no advantage to chrome there.

To answer the original question:
Opera 11.52 most of the time, then Firefox 8, then Chrome a billion, or whatever it's on now, then IE9, then Safari.

 

[Meggy]

Google Chrome

 

[mwcfarms]

I use IE when I am on my laptop upstairs because opanda will not work with FF otherwise I use FF or Chrome.

 

[Patrice]

Safari

 

[e.rose]

Interesting...

I use Chrome. I'll have to compare the way it displays images to Safari because I don't think I've ever noticed a difference... that's not to say there ISN'T one... I'm just saying I never noticed, haha. Now I'm curious.

An RGB-JPEG photo is tagged with an ICC profile that references the color space. To properly display the photo's colors the RGB values must be decoded using the referenced color space, for example sRGB. Chrome ignores the ICC profile and as a result displays photos incorrectly. The underlying assumption is that photos for the web should be tagged sRGB as opposed to some other color space and then it's OK to display them and ignore the profile. There's some validity to this in that sRGB was created to be a good match to electronic displays. The difference in appearance may be minor, but ignoring a photo's ICC profile really is wrong; the profile is there for a reason. If you really want to check out the issue:

WEB BROWSER COLOR MANAGEMENT Tutorial - Test Page FireFox Safari Chrome Internet Explorer IE 9- FILES have embedded ICC profiles Photoshop ColorManagement

Joe

Very interesting! I knew my sites looked better in firefox than chrome, but until now, had no idea why.

As for editing CSS live, firebug allows it as well, so there's no advantage to chrome there.

To answer the original question:
Opera 11.52 most of the time, then Firefox 8, then Chrome a billion, or whatever it's on now, then IE9, then Safari.

I just randomly remembered about this and decided to check it out really quick... and he's right.

My images look DRASTICALLY different in Chrome when compared to the image opened in photoshop with the sRGB color profile, than Safari does. Looking at the image in Safari looks right... and then looking at it in Chrome is just... not right.

Which is a depressing discovery for me because I really love Chrome... but now I'm going to stop using it because it's been lying to me all this time. Waaaah, waaaah.

 

[marmots]

My images look DRASTICALLY different in Chrome when compared to the image opened in photoshop with the sRGB color profile, than Safari does. Looking at the image in Safari looks right... and then looking at it in Chrome is just... not right.

Which is a depressing discovery for me because I really love Chrome... but now I'm going to stop using it because it's been lying to me all this time. Waaaah, waaaah.

its even more depresing since there is no easy way to get you bookmarks out of chrome, and into any other browser

while it's incredibly easy in vice versa

 

[COLTSFANATIC1]

IE9 4 ME

 

[Ysarex86 80]

An RGB-JPEG photo is tagged with an ICC profile that references the color space. To properly display the photo's colors the RGB values must be decoded using the referenced color space, for example sRGB. Chrome ignores the ICC profile and as a result displays photos incorrectly. The underlying assumption is that photos for the web should be tagged sRGB as opposed to some other color space and then it's OK to display them and ignore the profile. There's some validity to this in that sRGB was created to be a good match to electronic displays. The difference in appearance may be minor, but ignoring a photo's ICC profile really is wrong; the profile is there for a reason. If you really want to check out the issue:

WEB BROWSER COLOR MANAGEMENT Tutorial - Test Page FireFox Safari Chrome Internet Explorer IE 9- FILES have embedded ICC profiles Photoshop ColorManagement

Joe

Very interesting! I knew my sites looked better in firefox than chrome, but until now, had no idea why.

As for editing CSS live, firebug allows it as well, so there's no advantage to chrome there.

To answer the original question:
Opera 11.52 most of the time, then Firefox 8, then Chrome a billion, or whatever it's on now, then IE9, then Safari.

I just randomly remembered about this and decided to check it out really quick... and he's right.

Rose, I'd never steer you wrong.

My images look DRASTICALLY different in Chrome when compared to the image opened in photoshop with the sRGB color profile, than Safari does. Looking at the image in Safari looks right... and then looking at it in Chrome is just... not right.

Which is a depressing discovery for me because I really love Chrome... but now I'm going to stop using it because it's been lying to me all this time. Waaaah, waaaah.

This whole issue is really very simple. Every pixel in your photo has a color that, as far as a computer is concerned, has to be a number. In the case of a photo it's 3 numbers, one each for RGB (Red, Green, Blue). No single universally accepted standard exists to decode those numbers into actual specific colors. Instead we have multiple standards that are tailored to different purposes. That's not a problem because we've developed those different standards for good reason and we know how to manage our photos between them. So you've got a pixel in your photo with these values: R = 130, G = 45, B= 60. What color is that? If all you have is those numbers, then the actual color is undefined. Those numbers are simply meaningless by themselves. They don't identify any color at all.

Language is the perfect analogy. Here's a word: trance. What does it mean? Are we speaking English? Trance is also a word in Spanish. It's meaning is very different in English than in Spanish. If you remove the language context then all you have is a meaningless collection symbols. The language context is essential for meaning.

R = 130, G= 45, B = 60

The color space context is essential for meaning. If you remove the color space context then all you have are meaningless numbers. Every digital camera that I know of embeds an ICC profile in every RGB photo it produces and that profile provides the necessary reference to derive meaning from the numbers. It's impossible to convert a camera RAW file to an RGB photo and not specify a color space. No software could or would try to do that because it's nonsense to convert data into meaninglessness. Are we speaking Spanish or English or Chinese or Swedish? In Photography we have 4 color spaces in common use (look at your options in ACR). An RGB photo must carry an ICC tag to reference the color space. If your web browser ignores that tag then every photo you see you're seeing wrong.

All photos displayed in Chrome and IE are wrong.

The question to ask here then is: why are Microsoft and Google refusing to do it right?

Joe

 

[kamerageek]

Maybe it's just the fallability of my human eyes, but I don't see the difference in image display between Chrome and Safari. I used SmugMug to pull up a photo I shot in Times Square in each browser and I did a side-by-side comparison on the same monitor. I'm not trying to discredit you, Joe. I'm just pointing out that I can't personally tell the difference in the appearance of an image displayed by either browser.

The article you point to is technically correct, but given the millions of colours that a computer monitor displays I think the average person in the average case won't notice a difference. The point I'm trying to make is that people who are passionate about their craft sometimes over-obsess about small variances that don't concern most people. It's never a bad thing to be that passionate, but as I get older I'm learning to not sweat the small stuff so much.

In answer to the original question, I use Safari, but Chrome is growing on me.

 

[Ysarex86 80]

Maybe it's just the fallability of my human eyes, but I don't see the difference in image display between Chrome and Safari. I used SmugMug to pull up a photo I shot in Times Square in each browser and I did a side-by-side comparison on the same monitor. I'm not trying to discredit you, Joe. I'm just pointing out that I can't personally tell the difference in the appearance of an image displayed by either browser.

The article you point to is technically correct, but given the millions of colours that a computer monitor displays I think the average person in the average case won't notice a difference. The point I'm trying to make is that people who are passionate about their craft sometimes over-obsess about small variances that don't concern most people. It's never a bad thing to be that passionate, but as I get older I'm learning to not sweat the small stuff so much.

In answer to the original question, I use Safari, but Chrome is growing on me.

I doubt it's your eyes; it's probably the photo.

Try this one. It's also on Smugmug:

http://jon2472.smugmug.com/Other/photos/i-qCsQrMX/0/O/wharehouse1.jpg

Does the sky look the same color in both Safari and Chrome? If not then Safari is right and Chrome is wrong.

Joe

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

Really? Never heard that.



Well, since Chrome fails to process embedded ICC profiles and therefore displays all photographs incorrectly, I use Firefox. On the Mac I use Safari which, like Firefox, works correctly.

Joe

Interesting...

I use Chrome. I'll have to compare the way it displays images to Safari because I don't think I've ever noticed a difference... that's not to say there ISN'T one... I'm just saying I never noticed, haha. Now I'm curious.

An RGB-JPEG photo is tagged with an ICC profile that references the color space. To properly display the photo's colors the RGB values must be decoded using the referenced color space, for example sRGB. Chrome ignores the ICC profile and as a result displays photos incorrectly. The underlying assumption is that photos for the web should be tagged sRGB as opposed to some other color space and then it's OK to display them and ignore the profile. There's some validity to this in that sRGB was created to be a good match to electronic displays. The difference in appearance may be minor, but ignoring a photo's ICC profile really is wrong; the profile is there for a reason. If you really want to check out the issue:

WEB BROWSER COLOR MANAGEMENT Tutorial - Test Page FireFox Safari Chrome Internet Explorer IE 9- FILES have embedded ICC profiles Photoshop ColorManagement

Joe

Why would you want a browser to display colors any other way, unless every other browser was capable of displaying those profiles? Are you going to force all of your clients to use Firefox? I think that their assumption of sRGB is spot on. Unless you are simply storing your photos online only for personal viewing on your own monitor while using your own browser, it doesn't make sense for any type of "Sharing" images with others.

Oh, and I use Chrome as well.