What I did in Math today

[Ballistics]

Point is it REALLY bugs me when people judge me based off of my performance in school, or anything really, and have some justification for telling ME that I won't do anything with my life.

We live in a world where the BA/BS is the new high school diploma. With out these, the chances of landing a good paying job are very slim. It's great and all that you want to do something in film/photography, but you have to be really, really, really good. You are competing with literally hundreds of thousands of people. If aiming for the middle is your thing, then by all means. But compare and contrast the starting salaries of a film/photography major with 0 experience to say a Computer Science major with 0 experience.

 

[Compaq]

Being successful as a photographer is as much building a name and reputation as being a good photographer. Without proper marketing, you'll struggle.

 

[tevo]

Point is it REALLY bugs me when people judge me based off of my performance in school, or anything really, and have some justification for telling ME that I won't do anything with my life.

We live in a world where the BA/BS is the new high school diploma. With out these, the chances of landing a good paying job are very slim. It's great and all that you want to do something in film/photography, but you have to be really, really, really good. You are competing with literally hundreds of thousands of people. If aiming for the middle is your thing, then by all means. But compare and contrast the starting salaries of a film/photography major with 0 experience to say a Computer Science major with 0 experience.

This is completely true. However, I won't go down the path of a career that isn't something I am passionate about (i.e computer science)

 

[Trever1t]

uh...how did Einstein do in school?

Just sayin'

Smart to study hard and cover all bases but strong will and determination will always put you where you need to be.

School is fine for those that learn from it but isn't a requirement to be smart. Contrary, some people are too smart for school.

 

[Kerbouchard]

If you want to do anything in a technological atmosphere (Computer Science, Engineering, Information Technology, CAD, Architecture and the list goes on) Calculus will wind up being your friend(or your enemy).
It doesn't take a talented mind to understand math. If I were you, I would advance as far in math in high school while you can, this way you place less of an emphasis on it in college, and can focus more on your major.
That is of course, if you give a ****.

If I am already bad at math why would I pursue any of these things, lol


Interestingly enough I am pursuing film making / photography . As far as that, I do give a ****

Yeah, lucky for you photography doesn't have anything to do with math or math concepts.

I mean, aside from angles of incidence/reflection, inverse square laws, f/stops, lighting ratios, exposure latitude, zone systems, dynamic range, DOF, planes of focus, lighting angles, apparent size, light power/wattages, color rendering index, color shifts, rules of thirds, hyperfocal distances, lumens, footcandles, and a few other non-important things, well, you almost don't have to know any math at all.

Point is it REALLY bugs me when people judge me based off of my performance in school, or anything really, and have some justification for telling ME that I won't do anything with my life.

We live in a world where the BA/BS is the new high school diploma. With out these, the chances of landing a good paying job are very slim. It's great and all that you want to do something in film/photography, but you have to be really, really, really good. You are competing with literally hundreds of thousands of people. If aiming for the middle is your thing, then by all means. But compare and contrast the starting salaries of a film/photography major with 0 experience to say a Computer Science major with 0 experience.

$0, for both. Most companies won't touch you unless you have at least 6 months experience. Heck, you can walk into my office with stacks of diplomas and degrees, but for me, the only question I have is if you can do the job or not. A piece of paper doesn't tell me that. For what it's worth, I did finish my degree...in Nuclear Engineering with an emphasis on Electrical Engineering. Never has really came up in an interview. Instead, they want to know how I would handle certain situations.

Like you said, the BS is the new high school diploma. It means absolutely nothing. Every job I have applied to says degree, or equivalent experience. Guess which one gets the job? Yep, the one with experience, although it doesn't hurt to have both.

Most of you would be better off getting an apprenticeship, an internship, or joining the military rather than going into debt for a piece of paper that probably won't even get you an interview, much less a job.

 

[tevo]

If you want to do anything in a technological atmosphere (Computer Science, Engineering, Information Technology, CAD, Architecture and the list goes on) Calculus will wind up being your friend(or your enemy).
It doesn't take a talented mind to understand math. If I were you, I would advance as far in math in high school while you can, this way you place less of an emphasis on it in college, and can focus more on your major.
That is of course, if you give a ****.

If I am already bad at math why would I pursue any of these things, lol


Interestingly enough I am pursuing film making / photography . As far as that, I do give a ****

Yeah, lucky for you photography doesn't have anything to do with math or math concepts.

I mean, aside from angles of incidence/reflection, inverse square laws, f/stops, lighting ratios, exposure latitude, zone systems, dynamic range, DOF, planes of focus, lighting angles, apparent size, light power/wattages, color rendering index, color shifts, rules of thirds, hyperfocal distances, lumens, footcandles, and a few other non-important things, well, you almost don't have to know any math at all.

I never said that photography doesn't involve math, it absolutely does. But it does not involve math to the extent of which we learn it in high school, and the application is completely different. Besides, that sums up the technical aspect of how [photography] things work, but knowledge of this does not necessarily affect the application (shooting).

Point is it REALLY bugs me when people judge me based off of my performance in school, or anything really, and have some justification for telling ME that I won't do anything with my life.

We live in a world where the BA/BS is the new high school diploma. With out these, the chances of landing a good paying job are very slim. It's great and all that you want to do something in film/photography, but you have to be really, really, really good. You are competing with literally hundreds of thousands of people. If aiming for the middle is your thing, then by all means. But compare and contrast the starting salaries of a film/photography major with 0 experience to say a Computer Science major with 0 experience.

$0, for both. Most companies won't touch you unless you have at least 6 months experience. Heck, you can walk into my office with stacks of diplomas and degrees, but for me, the only question I have is if you can do the job or not. A piece of paper doesn't tell me that. For what it's worth, I did finish my degree...in Nuclear Engineering with an emphasis on Electrical Engineering. Never has really came up in an interview. Instead, they want to know how I would handle certain situations.

Like you said, the BS is the new high school diploma. It means absolutely nothing. Every job I have applied to says degree, or equivalent experience. Guess which one gets the job? Yep, the one with experience, although it doesn't hurt to have both.

Most of you would be better off getting an apprenticeship, an internship, or joining the military rather than going into debt for a piece of paper that probably won't even get you an interview, much less a job.

This is my point - I put a huge amount of time into practicing my photography, conferring with professionals, spending way too much of my life on this forum, etc. I have been told by many wise people that experience looks better on a resume then having a basic college degree.

 

[Kerbouchard]

This is my point - I put a huge amount of time into practicing my photography, conferring with professionals, spending way too much of my life on this forum, etc. I have been told by many wise people that experience looks better on a resume then having a basic college degree.

And, IMO, that is true, both from a hiring manager perspective and someone who has been on interviews.

One thing you are leaving out, though. Just because you don't always need the degree or the piece of paper, you will always need the knowledge.

You can get the knowledge through a lot of ways, some of it you work for free for, some of it you learn by practice, some of it you have to pay to learn, and some of it you get to learn sitting in a classroom that is being paid for by me and others like me.

I would recommend you take advantage of every opportunity you have to learn something new. You never know when it's going to come in handy.

 

[tevo]

This is my point - I put a huge amount of time into practicing my photography, conferring with professionals, spending way too much of my life on this forum, etc. I have been told by many wise people that experience looks better on a resume then having a basic college degree.

And, IMO, that is true, both from a hiring manager perspective and someone who has been on interviews.

One thing you are leaving out, though. Just because you don't always need the degree or the piece of paper, you will always need the knowledge.

You can get the knowledge through a lot of ways, some of it you work for free for, some of it you learn by practice, some of it you have to pay to learn, and some of it you get to learn sitting in a classroom that is being paid for by me and others like me.

I would recommend you take advantage of every opportunity you have to learn something new. You never know when it's going to come in handy.

Exactly! I have just found that I do not have a math brain. Plain and simple. There have been tutors, countless hours outside of class, and very little result. What can you do? I am taking a beginning photography class at my school, just because I know that I WILL learn something. I 100% agree with you in saying i should take advantage of every learning opportunity. I do as much as I can with photography, because I want that to be my career. And I am in no way saying that a degree isn't important - it is. But it really comes down to the experience/application, imo.

 

[Overread17 5]

All I can say is make sure you get the min-pass for maths - my sister is having trouble with this as she was never one with a strong maths mind and now a lower than ideal pass in the subject at basic level restricts her options greatly; sure there are still options, but a basic pass in maths and English is key to getting further in many areas.

I've no idea what your grade system is like, but over here I'd say you want a C at least in something like maths - any lower and it starts closing doors.

 

[Ballistics]

This is my point - I put a huge amount of time into practicing my photography, conferring with professionals, spending way too much of my life on this forum, etc. I have been told by many wise people that experience looks better on a resume then having a basic college degree.

And, IMO, that is true, both from a hiring manager perspective and someone who has been on interviews.

One thing you are leaving out, though. Just because you don't always need the degree or the piece of paper, you will always need the knowledge.

You can get the knowledge through a lot of ways, some of it you work for free for, some of it you learn by practice, some of it you have to pay to learn, and some of it you get to learn sitting in a classroom that is being paid for by me and others like me.

I would recommend you take advantage of every opportunity you have to learn something new. You never know when it's going to come in handy.

Your office doesn't account for ALL offices. When I said 0 experience, I am including the internship. Which accounts for 6 months of "experience". However, a quick indeed.com search for entry level jobs in computer science proves otherwise.

Found in the $60K salary category - entry level 0 working experience.


http://newjersey.jobing.com/Job_Details2.asp?JobID=2971555]New York City Entry-level Systems Engineer, New York City Job - NY, 10001




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THere were 2 links here, but this forum doesn't do well with multiple URLs for some reason.

 

[Ballistics]

This is my point - I put a huge amount of time into practicing my photography, conferring with professionals, spending way too much of my life on this forum, etc. I have been told by many wise people that experience looks better on a resume then having a basic college degree.

And, IMO, that is true, both from a hiring manager perspective and someone who has been on interviews.

Yeah, if myths were true. My resume' consists of military training in aviation structures, hydraulics, hazmat,law enforcement, supply, logistics, fiber optics, certified fitness instructor, (thats all I can think of off the top of my head); I have documented experience in all of these areas, but the paper matters, just because diplomas and certs are common, doesn't make them unnecessary. All I heard was, "Oh your prior military? You'll get a job fast." Yeah? Where? Mcdonalds? Because going to work for Boeing without an A&P (even though I have 5 years experience) is impossible. Experience is great, but everyone requires some sort of paper.

 

[Kerbouchard]

Exactly! I have just found that I do not have a math brain. Plain and simple. There have been tutors, countless hours outside of class, and very little result. What can you do? I am taking a beginning photography class at my school, just because I know that I WILL learn something. I 100% agree with you in saying i should take advantage of every learning opportunity. I do as much as I can with photography, because I want that to be my career. And I am in no way saying that a degree isn't important - it is. But it really comes down to the experience/application, imo.

Not sure if you have written it off completely, but there is a free resource that just might help you out. Saw it on facebook a few weeks ago and have actually watched quite a few of the videos on things I was interested in or wanted to brush up on. It's structured where you can basically go back to where you are having difficulty and progress from there instead of assuming you have some prerequisite knowledge.

Again, not sure if you have written math off completely, or not, but if you havn't, check out Khan Academy

Tutorials on everything from English to Math to Computer Science to Economics. IMO, one of the best links on the internet.

 

[Ballistics]

Exactly! I have just found that I do not have a math brain. Plain and simple. There have been tutors, countless hours outside of class, and very little result. What can you do? I am taking a beginning photography class at my school, just because I know that I WILL learn something. I 100% agree with you in saying i should take advantage of every learning opportunity. I do as much as I can with photography, because I want that to be my career. And I am in no way saying that a degree isn't important - it is. But it really comes down to the experience/application, imo.

Not sure if you have written it off completely, but there is a free resource that just might help you out. Saw it on facebook a few weeks ago and have actually watched quite a few of the videos on things I was interested in or wanted to brush up on. It's structured where you can basically go back to where you are having difficulty and progress from there instead of assuming you have some prerequisite knowledge.

Again, not sure if you have written math off completely, or not, but if you havn't, check out Khan Academy

Tutorials on everything from English to Math to Computer Science to Economics. IMO, one of the best links on the internet.

Hands down one of the greatest resources. I have it on my bookmark bar.

 

[Robin Usagani]

Creepy!


P.S. Real men would get a real tattoo



JK

 

[GeorgieGirl]

Jesus Christ. What a pile of garbage I am reading and trust me, I only skimmed the potent warfare.

Tevo, you do what is right for you. Your interested friends and family (and sadly its in that order alot these days) will guide your conscience through.

There are plenty of people who are successful without a college degree let alone a mastery of alegbra, geometry or calculus. You know addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, you will survive. Most little kids can't tell time on a clock with big hands and little hands.

You have the world by the balls like so many young people who laugh at life and in spite of it. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, this world is yours for the taking. Take what you want from it, you have no fear and that in and of itself is golden.