What's Ailing Nikon: Thom Hogan Checks In

[cgw]

I mentioned it earlier.

He sees Nikon as having no "big bang" releases since 2007, and to prove it he simply declares all releases of anything after 2007 to not be "big bang" releases, whatever that means. This lack of "big bang" releases apparently means something I didn't bother to read about.

Warren Buffett hasn't made any "sweet-ass deals" since 1987 when he bought a 12% stake in Salomon Inc. With this terrible lack of "sweet-ass deals" over the last 25 years, it's clear that Berkshire-Hathaway is on its last legs. They really need to purchase Nikon and revitalize it with a huge cash infusion so they can bring out 120823 prime FX lenses.


See how that works? I introduce a term, "sweet-ass deal," without any definition, and then I simply claim that Buffett hasn't done any of them for 25 years, which is perfectly reasonable since "sweet-ass deal" means whatever I want it to. I'm not telling YOU what it means, though. Then, this is where it gets sketchy, I use this as evidence that Warren Buffett is a moron and his company is about to collapse.

Suffice it to say you don't like Hogan. Not certain, though, that you made it past the first bullet point. Friends who struggle to make a living selling this stuff seem to agree with his view that post-2007 product launches+promo have been disappointing.

 

[amolitor]

I haven't got a clue who Thom Hogan is, but I certainly don't like him *now*. He seems to be sloppy. Maybe he's right, but so what? Being sloppy makes people walk away before they get to the punchline.

 

[cgw]

"I haven't got a clue who Thom Hogan is..." Interesting comment if you've actually been a longtime Nikon shooter.

 

[amolitor]

That's hilarious, in a whole bunch of ways. And silly.

 

[runnah]

That's hilarious, in a whole bunch of ways. And silly.

Now now, it's common to form an emotional attachment to a brand and then defend it to the death.

Me I don't care if it says nikon or canon on my strap just as long as it does what I need it to do. I am about to switch back to canon after using nikons for the last 5 years. No tears shed here.

 

[snowbear]

But what does Ken Rockwell say about it all?

<quickly sneaks out side door>
:greenpbl:

 

[cgw]

That's hilarious, in a whole bunch of ways. And silly.

Really? You might try actually reading Hogan's article instead of ranting.

 

[amolitor]

Honestly, I don't know where you're coming from.

When I point out that Hogan's rhetoric is broken, you conclude that I don't like him. Then you say that I ought to know him, through some magical osmosis or something I suppose, if I use Nikon equipment. Now you're accusing me of ranting.

Are YOU Thom Hogan? It's the only thing that makes much sense.

 

[cgw]

Fast concluding you just don't get any of this and likely never will.

 

[fotofinish]

He has a recent article on his website saying how much Canon is in front of Nikon.

But what does Ken Rockwell say about it all?

<quickly sneaks out side door>
:greenpbl:

 

[amolitor]

Is it just me, or is nothing cgw says to me even remotely related to anything I've just said to him?

 

[cgw]

Simply asked that you lose the sweeping generalizations and oversimplifications and be more specific. Seems you can't/won't do that. Your problem, obviously.

 

[runnah]

I don't understand the amount of care given by both parties. I realize that at this point it's personal. But who cares what some blogger has to say?

All I will say is that the complexity of running such a large company is beyond the reach if any blogger or forum goer. If things are that bad at nikon the profits will go down and management will be changed.

 

[amolitor]

I find myself irritated beyond reason by people who misrepresent what I have said, in an effort to discredit me. I am also irritated when I go to some little effort to explain myself, and get dismissed by someone who obviously can't be bothered to read, and who obviously has a personal issue, as "oh you just don't like so and so, you're ranting, you're making sweeping generalizations" none of which is true.

Why I ever bother to explain myself on the internet I will never understand. Nobody listens, they just start typing based on what they imagine you probably meant.

 

[runnah]

I find myself irritated beyond reason by people who misrepresent what I have said, in an effort to discredit me. I am also irritated when I go to some little effort to explain myself, and get dismissed by someone who obviously can't be bothered to read, and who obviously has a personal issue, as "oh you just don't like so and so, you're ranting, you're making sweeping generalizations" none of which is true.

Why I ever bother to explain myself on the internet I will never understand. Nobody listens, they just start typing based on what they imagine you probably meant.

Fair enough but really at that points it beat to move on and let the record stand. Most folks with a 5th grade reading level will understand what you said and lose respect for this who didn't understand or can't comprehend it.