Why is Peter Lik's work so valuable?

[timor]

Printing something big doesn't always make it look pretty, especially if it sucks.

I 'liked' your post not for the negative message but because I think it's exquisitely beautiful. What taste!

Aha, Rotanimod didn't miss the point.

 

[Buckster]

You attacked someone because he doesn't know who Lik is.

First of all, this is not "AN ATTACK":

I've heard the 'yeah but when you see the work itself it's totally different and awesome' routine a lot of time, and so far it's never been true. The crud is still crud, the interesting looking stuff that doesn't work for me is still interesting stuff that doesn't work for me, and I still like the stuff I like. Jackson Pollack's stuff was bigger than I expected, but not fundamentally different.

Get back to me after you've actually seen Lik's work in person and have a clue what you're talking about.

It was also not about him not knowing who Lik is, which I've also already explained to you.

Let's first remember what the thread is about. What makes Peter Lik's work worth the money it sells for?

I've tried to explain that while marketing has a lot to do with it, seeing web-size images of his work vs seeing it large, in person, in all of it's fine print on the best paper glory is like the difference between seeing a picture of a roller coaster and riding it. Now, anyone who's seen his work in person may disagree, but I think that it at least deserves to be seen in person to make that judgement.

If you were to say that you had the opportunity to drive a Formula 1 car at 200 MPH for an hour and it was the most awesome driving experience you ever had, and then I came into the thread and said, "Meh - I don't get into racing, don't really know anything about it, don't see what the big deal is, certainly have never driven a Formula 1 car 200 MPH, or ANY car that fast for that matter, but I imagine it's no different than driving any other car", then I think it'd be totally reasonable for you to say to me, "get back to me after you've actually driven a Formula 1 car at 200 MPH for an hour and have a clue what you're talking about."

I don't see how that could be construed as an "attack" from you, much less construed as an attack BECAUSE I said I don't know anything about racing. Such accusations would totally miss the point, misconstrue what was actually said and, all in all, make a mountain out of a molehill for no apparent reason.

By doing exactly that, by your continued over-reaction to it, by your interest in twisting my words to fit your agenda, by your bizarre need to don armor and do battle with me while putting on some show of defending the poor, weak amolitor over it, you introduce the real puzzle here - what the heck crawled up your swollen colon? You can believe what you want, than it does about me or amolitor or whatever is going on between us that we'll no doubt eventually straighten out together without your "help".

If you think any of this is getting to me, I've got a news flash for you: I've dealt with WAY worse RL stuff than you'll EVER be able to muster with your little e-peen flaming, and made jokes and cartoons out of those experiences that I'm proud to say are able to make cancer patients laugh. You're not even a minor blip on the size radar screen I use for tracking things that are troubling and dealing with them, pal.

Now go ahead and throw your next mud pie at me. And you can feel free to keep throwing them until your mom calls you home for supper (or until you decide to get back on the thread's actual theme).

 

[weepete]

The trouble with art is that it's not only subjective, but also defined by the context in which we view it.

 

[BrianV]

He shoots film.

Next Question.

 

[kathyt]

Guys.....come on now. For real! I think Buckster has been through enough lately, and life is really toooo short! Say one positive thing about one another or this thread will be closed! Right moderators?? (moderators, this is where you chime in....)

 

[Buckster]

Amolitor has a cool hat, seems very likable on a personal level, shows a lot of interest in things he posts about, and often brings a unique perspective.

Steve is someone I usually agree with when he posts, especially when it comes to the social aspects of things. I think he does really good work and I enjoy seeing it. He also seems quite knowledgeable and capable when giving advice on gear and technique.

 

[StoneNYC]

You guys are pretty funny. I read through all the posts and I have a few points to make.

First off, have you researched the history? Do you know HOW he got where he was? He spent x amount of years living in a Van driving around taking pictures around the country with no money at all, he struggled and perfected his imagery, THEN he got big.

I visited his gallery in Key West Florida on my 2010 Kodachrome adventure, this was before he had his TV show and was a household name. His shots were certainly something to behold.

I don't think he's so much more amazing than many others, but he's perfected his showcase, the image, the frame, the selection of images that come with each other. All meld perfectly. There's an art to display as well.

I also think his images cost well over $750 as I recall them being in the $1,000-$10,000 range, but those were limited editions etc.

He shoots a lot on film, I suspect Velvia for a lot of it, and what new stuff he shoots on digital I'm sure he mimics a Velvia like profile. I wouldn't consider that cheating, just using the tools you have.

He has invested a LOT of years taking images, he doesn't display the mediocre ones as someone pointed out.

He does ALL his own printing, he doesn't outsource anything, he has his own facility for this and makes sure each image is to HIS specifications.

I also have a perspective I would like to share. If I live in NY, and after training as a photographer for 10 years I research and buy a very specific panoramic camera (in the $4,000 used or $10,000 new range), travel to the Grand Canyon, take a really beautiful sunset image, risk my life hanging on the side of a cliff to get the shot, fly home, develop that and perfectly print that image. How much money have I invested in that image, THOUSANDS, tens of thousands of dollars to get that image, and if I sell it for $750 and sell 10 prints in a year, have I even made my money back on the investment? Is that picture maybe worth even more than that if you encompass all that it took to create that?

THAT'S the answer to the OP's question, that's what makes his work so valuable.

As far as perspective, sure not everyone likes over saturated images, not everyone likes Ansel Adams either, honestly I think his moonrise over xxxx isn't all that great, I've seen better, but I can see why people admire it, and could see why someone would pay a lot for it.

And if I had never seen an Ansel Adams image, I certainly wouldn't be saying anything about the artists work, good nor bad, I think it's in poor taste to talk about something you don't really have any facts or experience on. So I think that's why one of you was mad when the other "armadillo" or whatever your name is (excuse me I'm on my phone and can't look back, not saying that to be insulting that's just sort of your name right?) that's why the other guy was upset, because you're talking about a work you've never even seen, at least look him up and read a little before entering the discussion.

I sold a print from my Grand Canyon trip for $750 this month, this includes the frame and such, after the cost of the frame and special mattering and printing my net profit is $300, do I feel all the effort I took to make and sell this image is only worth $300? No, it cost me $8,000 to get that shot (if you include all the shots and travel I took to create the entire Kodachrome project that includes that one image). But I don't think I over priced it at all, and I certainly don't think that the image is as good as many (or any) of Peter Lik's work, it's not bad, but it's not as epic as some of his. And the size (11x14) wasn't as big as his, but I felt my price was justified. Do you?

It's all perspective my friends

~Stone


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[TATTRAT]

wow, got $750 for that? Kudos!

 

[Steve5D]

You attacked someone because he doesn't know who Lik is.

First of all, this is not "AN ATTACK":

I've heard the 'yeah but when you see the work itself it's totally different and awesome' routine a lot of time, and so far it's never been true. The crud is still crud, the interesting looking stuff that doesn't work for me is still interesting stuff that doesn't work for me, and I still like the stuff I like. Jackson Pollack's stuff was bigger than I expected, but not fundamentally different.

Get back to me after you've actually seen Lik's work in person and have a clue what you're talking about.

It was also not about him not knowing who Lik is, which I've also already explained to you.

Let's first remember what the thread is about. What makes Peter Lik's work worth the money it sells for?

I've tried to explain that while marketing has a lot to do with it, seeing web-size images of his work vs seeing it large, in person, in all of it's fine print on the best paper glory is like the difference between seeing a picture of a roller coaster and riding it. Now, anyone who's seen his work in person may disagree, but I think that it at least deserves to be seen in person to make that judgement.

If you were to say that you had the opportunity to drive a Formula 1 car at 200 MPH for an hour and it was the most awesome driving experience you ever had, and then I came into the thread and said, "Meh - I don't get into racing, don't really know anything about it, don't see what the big deal is, certainly have never driven a Formula 1 car 200 MPH, or ANY car that fast for that matter, but I imagine it's no different than driving any other car", then I think it'd be totally reasonable for you to say to me, "get back to me after you've actually driven a Formula 1 car at 200 MPH for an hour and have a clue what you're talking about."

I don't see how that could be construed as an "attack" from you, much less construed as an attack BECAUSE I said I don't know anything about racing. Such accusations would totally miss the point, misconstrue what was actually said and, all in all, make a mountain out of a molehill for no apparent reason.

By doing exactly that, by your continued over-reaction to it, by your interest in twisting my words to fit your agenda, by your bizarre need to don armor and do battle with me while putting on some show of defending the poor, weak amolitor over it, you introduce the real puzzle here - what the heck crawled up your swollen colon? You can believe what you want, but I think it says a lot more about you and your juvenile interests and intentions than it does about me or amolitor or whatever is going on between us that we'll no doubt eventually straighten out together without your "help".

If you think any of this is getting to me, I've got a news flash for you: I've dealt with WAY worse RL stuff than you'll EVER be able to muster with your little e-peen flaming, and made jokes and cartoons out of those experiences that I'm proud to say are able to make cancer patients laugh. You're not even a minor blip on the size radar screen I use for tracking things that are troubling and dealing with them, pal.

Now go ahead and throw your next mud pie at me. And you can feel free to keep throwing them until your mom calls you home for supper (or until you decide to get back on the thread's actual theme).

You don't get to have me throw mud pies at you, Chief.

Now, follow your own advice and employ that "ignore" feature. That way you can impart your failed wisdom on others without challenge.

You're dismissed, boy...

 

[StoneNYC]

wow, got $750 for that? Kudos!

That was kind of mean...


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Steve5D]

You attacked someone because he doesn't know who Lik is.

First of all, this is not "AN ATTACK":

Get back to me after you've actually seen Lik's work in person and have a clue what you're talking about.

It was also not about him not knowing who Lik is, which I've also already explained to you.

Let's first remember what the thread is about. What makes Peter Lik's work worth the money it sells for?

I've tried to explain that while marketing has a lot to do with it, seeing web-size images of his work vs seeing it large, in person, in all of it's fine print on the best paper glory is like the difference between seeing a picture of a roller coaster and riding it. Now, anyone who's seen his work in person may disagree, but I think that it at least deserves to be seen in person to make that judgement.

If you were to say that you had the opportunity to drive a Formula 1 car at 200 MPH for an hour and it was the most awesome driving experience you ever had, and then I came into the thread and said, "Meh - I don't get into racing, don't really know anything about it, don't see what the big deal is, certainly have never driven a Formula 1 car 200 MPH, or ANY car that fast for that matter, but I imagine it's no different than driving any other car", then I think it'd be totally reasonable for you to say to me, "get back to me after you've actually driven a Formula 1 car at 200 MPH for an hour and have a clue what you're talking about."

I don't see how that could be construed as an "attack" from you, much less construed as an attack BECAUSE I said I don't know anything about racing. Such accusations would totally miss the point, misconstrue what was actually said and, all in all, make a mountain out of a molehill for no apparent reason.

By doing exactly that, by your continued over-reaction to it, by your interest in twisting my words to fit your agenda, by your bizarre need to don armor and do battle with me while putting on some show of defending the poor, weak amolitor over it, you introduce the real puzzle here - what the heck crawled up your swollen colon? You can believe what you want, but I think it says a lot more about you and your juvenile interests and intentions than it does about me or amolitor or whatever is going on between us that we'll no doubt eventually straighten out together without your "help".

If you think any of this is getting to me, I've got a news flash for you: I've dealt with WAY worse RL stuff than you'll EVER be able to muster with your little e-peen flaming, and made jokes and cartoons out of those experiences that I'm proud to say are able to make cancer patients laugh. You're not even a minor blip on the size radar screen I use for tracking things that are troubling and dealing with them, pal.

Now go ahead and throw your next mud pie at me. And you can feel free to keep throwing them until your mom calls you home for supper (or until you decide to get back on the thread's actual theme).

You don't get to have me throw mud pies at you, Chief...

 

[Buckster]

You attacked someone because he doesn't know who Lik is.

First of all, this is not "AN ATTACK":

Get back to me after you've actually seen Lik's work in person and have a clue what you're talking about.

It was also not about him not knowing who Lik is, which I've also already explained to you.

Let's first remember what the thread is about. What makes Peter Lik's work worth the money it sells for?

I've tried to explain that while marketing has a lot to do with it, seeing web-size images of his work vs seeing it large, in person, in all of it's fine print on the best paper glory is like the difference between seeing a picture of a roller coaster and riding it. Now, anyone who's seen his work in person may disagree, but I think that it at least deserves to be seen in person to make that judgement.

If you were to say that you had the opportunity to drive a Formula 1 car at 200 MPH for an hour and it was the most awesome driving experience you ever had, and then I came into the thread and said, "Meh - I don't get into racing, don't really know anything about it, don't see what the big deal is, certainly have never driven a Formula 1 car 200 MPH, or ANY car that fast for that matter, but I imagine it's no different than driving any other car", then I think it'd be totally reasonable for you to say to me, "get back to me after you've actually driven a Formula 1 car at 200 MPH for an hour and have a clue what you're talking about."

I don't see how that could be construed as an "attack" from you, much less construed as an attack BECAUSE I said I don't know anything about racing. Such accusations would totally miss the point, misconstrue what was actually said and, all in all, make a mountain out of a molehill for no apparent reason.

By doing exactly that, by your continued over-reaction to it, by your interest in twisting my words to fit your agenda, by your bizarre need to don armor and do battle with me while putting on some show of defending the poor, weak amolitor over it, you introduce the real puzzle here - what the heck crawled up your swollen colon? You can believe what you want, but I think it says a lot more about you and your juvenile interests and intentions than it does about me or amolitor or whatever is going on between us that we'll no doubt eventually straighten out together without your "help".

If you think any of this is getting to me, I've got a news flash for you: I've dealt with WAY worse RL stuff than you'll EVER be able to muster with your little e-peen flaming, and made jokes and cartoons out of those experiences that I'm proud to say are able to make cancer patients laugh. You're not even a minor blip on the size radar screen I use for tracking things that are troubling and dealing with them, pal.

Now go ahead and throw your next mud pie at me. And you can feel free to keep throwing them until your mom calls you home for supper (or until you decide to get back on the thread's actual theme).

You're an insignificant troll.

You don't get to have me throw mud pies at you, Chief.

Now, follow your own advice and employ that "ignore" feature. That way you can impart your failed wisdom on others without challenge.

You're dismissed, boy...

Imagine my surprise at this response.

First I was like :er:

But then I was like

And now I'm like :greenpbl:

LOL!

 

[Steve5D]

Bucky, I see you're still having a hard time with the whole "ignore" thing, huh?

 

[Steve5D]

But then I was like

LOL!

You mean you thought it was funny?

Well, using your own criteria, you've just admitted to being a troll.

Nice work, Zip...

 

[tirediron]

Okay folks, let's get this thread back on track. The next pointless post regarding who knows more than whom about what will result in a large lock being applied to the front door of this thread!

Thank-you.