Worthy of Charging?

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  1. ajcv75

    ajcv75 TPF Noob!

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    Hi guys, this is my first post on this site! A little about me, I have been in photography since 10th grade but it wasn't until recently I started formal training under the NYIP Professional Photography course. I have upgraded my dslr Nikon bodies from the D3100 - D7000 -D610. Now I have been contacted by an individual to shoot formal pictures in a prom but they can't pay me per say for those hours. Specifically, it's more like whoever wants to take pictures and pays me, then they get a picture taken. My question, which sounds sad, is how should I go at it? Are my pictures worthy of being sold? By no means do I say this as if I'm sinking myself but rather would love to have the eye of other photographers see and constructively criticize my work. I will post the link to my portfolio and would love to hear your input. Thank you so much!

    www.angelcuadradophotography.com


     
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    Designer Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    If you can be paid up front, that is preferential to trying to be paid later. If they pay, give them a link to a place where they can download the photo. If you can't be paid at the time, post very small photos with an option to get a larger file upon payment.
     
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    tirediron Watch the Birdy! Staff Member Supporting Member

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    In general, yes, but for a beginner, I would recommend against it. Unless you're very confident in your work (and the question about being worthy of charging indicates you're not) it's a sort of security blanket; in other words, if something goes wrong and someone doesn't like their images, the client hasn't paid you anything so they don't have a lot of room to complain, whereas if they've paid you $50 or $100... you have a lot more of an obligation.

    Your work looks decent; I have the impression you perhaps don't have a lot of experience in posing people, you seem to be using off-camera lighting so that's a good start, but you need to be prepared for the odd-ball stuff. Very tall, very short, and/or very fat people. Light skin/dark skin couples... There's a LOT to think about to do this well.

    That said, I do a lot of this sort of work at events, and it's a lot of fun. It's important to remember that you're going for a mean, rather than individual optimum, that is: You need to choose a lighting that will work well for most circumstances because you likely won't have time to adjust for each client.
     
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    ajcv75 TPF Noob!

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    Thank you! In your experience, as a beginner I should just take their information, give them mine and make each customer a password protected page for them to see their work? If I do that, how should I sell the images? Do packages work best rather than single images? I'm sorry for asking so much, I am aware there are many aspects to the business side of photography. Also wanted to know more about that Mentoring Program. Could you PM me the info?
     
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    Thank you so much for the information! I will have that in mind for the next time!! I appreciate it!!
     
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    tirediron Watch the Birdy! Staff Member Supporting Member

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    I rarely take payment in advance. My system is to have a form on a clipboard (actually several clipboards) for the client to fill out while they're waiting. Name, tel #, address, e-mail, etc. They hand me their form and I write their name on a whiteboard and the first shot is always a 'prison line-up' shot with them holding their name up; that way I can always go back and figure out who's who.

    I then do a rough process on all the keepers (WB, colour, crop, straighten) and e-mail proofs (72ppi, max 300 pixels on the long edge, with a shallow opacity watermark across the image), and they tell me what they want, I have it printed and mail/deliver it. I don't offer packages, but there's nothing wrong with them, it's just not my thing. I prefer to e-mail the client directly (assuming they don't live nearby; if they do, I always try and visit them in their home) rather than just posting a gallery as it helps to establish and maintain communication and they're more likely to purchase.

    Make sure you have your prices plainly visible as well as mailing/delivery fees and expect to have 20-25% 'tire-kickers', that is people who sit for a photo and are never heard from again.

    There's a great post on the mentorship scheme you can read by following the link in my sig.
     
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    This is super great! Thank you
     
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    FYI, you need a minor fix to your website. In your portfolio section, relabel "Shootings" to "Portraits". To a native English speaker, this does not come across as how you intended. When most people hear "shootings", they think gun shots.
     
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    Take a modest on-the-spot amount of payment...say $10 or so, at least...that cuts the tire kicker factor in half....a "free sitting" can be interpreted to mean that your work isn't any good. Almost every parent will want a nice, formal prom photo, but make sure to get some up-front cash from each prom couple. As Tirediron mentioned, have the prices plainly posted, get good, adequate contact information from, BOTH the boy AND the girl, and a quick description of the people who are in the shots, so there are no accidental "oops!" deliveries later. Of course, start with the camera's counter set to DSC_0001, and so on.

    I looked at this: Shootings

    You can do this.

    Keep in mind--without ANY up-front sitting fee, if you shoot 50 couples, you will have in-hand, at night's end... let me do the math...lemme see...Zero. But 50 times $10 is....why....it's five HUNDRED dollars...huh..better re-check my math here....yep, keeps coming up as $500 dollars!

    If you shoot for FREE, you leave the prom with zero payment in-hand.
     
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    Will do thank you for that!
     
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    Great tip!! Thank yoy so much for the information and the help!! I will do this!!
     
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    Watchful No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    I noticed on your site, the "portfolio" link is inactive, it should link to a page that lists the items in the drop down menu with an interesting looking page itself in case someone wants to view the dropdown menu as a page to select from. It can have the links that are in the menu and give a small thumbnail image for each type of photography.

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