You are not a Photographer

[dakkon76]

Ok, seriously though... this entire rant was worth reading just to end up visiting the site and see the baby propped up against the deer.

Oops, I think I just negated the last 3 pages of debate.

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

I don't have time to read through every post on here so far, but yes this link comes up from time to time and never really becomes cool no matter how many times I see it. As a photographer, do I find some of the posts a little funny? Sure. However, I think it is very mean spirited and does nothing but make the people who run it look like a bunch of arrogant douche bags. Most of the posts don't even have a context. They may be aspiring photographers NOT trying to come off as a professional and yet they face ridicule on this site? You shouldn't perpetuate this bullsh*t. It makes you look just as arrogant. If you have to make fun of others in order to feel like your work is adequate enough than I would say that's a much bigger detriment to your photography business than any amateur watering down the market could ever be. The fact of the matter is, that noone on here has perfect photographs and I mean NOONE. sure you may have a few gems, but you also have some that can be picked apart. Stop kidding yourselves.

Would you like to tell the group how you really feel?

I don't need any affirmation that my work is adequate. Arrogant? Well, most photographers I know are a bit arrogant. It sorta comes with the business. I mean, you almost need a level of self confidence that borders on arrogance.

I'm sorry for posting the link. I was amused by it. Figured others would be also. Guess I was wrong. I'll edit my original post, and any references to the site. Meant no harm, just wanted to have a little fun, and maybe help some of the newer folks learn what not to do.

Although that did come off as being mainly directed specifically at you, my meaning of "You shouldn't perpetuate...." was more of a general statement to everyone as well as the other uses of "you". Same with the comment about putting others down to feel better. I don't want to be excessively harsh to you specifically. Like I said, many others have posted that site. Yes its funny at times, but again, sometimes you have to take the highroad. To me, it becomes more of a negetive, when its placed on a beginners forum, which in a way is basically mocking everyone on this forum. I mean, why not just repost some of the pics that have been posted on here ( probably including some of my own ) and make fun of them? Sure some people that find their pics on that site may deserve and eye opening wake-up call, its still very discouraging to people,not just in regards to selling their services, but also simply being able to take any sort of pride in what the more advanced photographers are deeming "laughable". So to be perfectly clear, I do not have some personal axe to grind with you, although at the time my annoyance with it may have come off that way.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

It's a learning tool for the beginner Facebook photography businesses.

 

[Gaerek]

I don't have time to read through every post on here so far, but yes this link comes up from time to time and never really becomes cool no matter how many times I see it. As a photographer, do I find some of the posts a little funny? Sure. However, I think it is very mean spirited and does nothing but make the people who run it look like a bunch of arrogant douche bags. Most of the posts don't even have a context. They may be aspiring photographers NOT trying to come off as a professional and yet they face ridicule on this site? You shouldn't perpetuate this bullsh*t. It makes you look just as arrogant. If you have to make fun of others in order to feel like your work is adequate enough than I would say that's a much bigger detriment to your photography business than any amateur watering down the market could ever be. The fact of the matter is, that noone on here has perfect photographs and I mean NOONE. sure you may have a few gems, but you also have some that can be picked apart. Stop kidding yourselves.

Would you like to tell the group how you really feel?

I don't need any affirmation that my work is adequate. Arrogant? Well, most photographers I know are a bit arrogant. It sorta comes with the business. I mean, you almost need a level of self confidence that borders on arrogance.

I'm sorry for posting the link. I was amused by it. Figured others would be also. Guess I was wrong. I'll edit my original post, and any references to the site. Meant no harm, just wanted to have a little fun, and maybe help some of the newer folks learn what not to do.

Although that did come off as being mainly directed specifically at you, my meaning of "You shouldn't perpetuate...." was more of a general statement to everyone as well as the other uses of "you". Same with the comment about putting others down to feel better. I don't want to be excessively harsh to you specifically. Like I said, many others have posted that site. Yes its funny at times, but again, sometimes you have to take the highroad. To me, it becomes more of a negetive, when its placed on a beginners forum, which in a way is basically mocking everyone on this forum. I mean, why not just repost some of the pics that have been posted on here ( probably including some of my own ) and make fun of them? Sure some people that find their pics on that site may deserve and eye opening wake-up call, its still very discouraging to people,not just in regards to selling their services, but also simply being able to take any sort of pride in what the more advanced photographers are deeming "laughable". So to be perfectly clear, I do not have some personal axe to grind with you, although at the time my annoyance with it may have come off that way.

I understand where you're coming from. My point of view was, as Bitter said, a learning tool for those who might want to (or could possibly be) sell photos. There are lots of examples of what not to do. The site makes a point not to put names on there. Are they mocking? Sure are. But as a list of "Things to stay away from" it's a pretty powerful message.

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

Would you like to tell the group how you really feel?

I don't need any affirmation that my work is adequate. Arrogant? Well, most photographers I know are a bit arrogant. It sorta comes with the business. I mean, you almost need a level of self confidence that borders on arrogance.

I'm sorry for posting the link. I was amused by it. Figured others would be also. Guess I was wrong. I'll edit my original post, and any references to the site. Meant no harm, just wanted to have a little fun, and maybe help some of the newer folks learn what not to do.

Although that did come off as being mainly directed specifically at you, my meaning of "You shouldn't perpetuate...." was more of a general statement to everyone as well as the other uses of "you". Same with the comment about putting others down to feel better. I don't want to be excessively harsh to you specifically. Like I said, many others have posted that site. Yes its funny at times, but again, sometimes you have to take the highroad. To me, it becomes more of a negetive, when its placed on a beginners forum, which in a way is basically mocking everyone on this forum. I mean, why not just repost some of the pics that have been posted on here ( probably including some of my own ) and make fun of them? Sure some people that find their pics on that site may deserve and eye opening wake-up call, its still very discouraging to people,not just in regards to selling their services, but also simply being able to take any sort of pride in what the more advanced photographers are deeming "laughable". So to be perfectly clear, I do not have some personal axe to grind with you, although at the time my annoyance with it may have come off that way.

I understand where you're coming from. My point of view was, as Bitter said, a learning tool for those who might want to (or could possibly be) sell photos. There are lots of examples of what not to do. The site makes a point not to put names on there. Are they mocking? Sure are. But as a list of "Things to stay away from" it's a pretty powerful message.

Yeah, but they do it in a mean spirited way with the comments. They get laughs at other peoples expenses. It would be different if they simply posted the photos and explained what is wrong. Yes, that is a learning experience. However, as it stands now its just degrading to beginner photographers.

In response to Bitter's comment: Degrading people is not any sort of learning tool, thats just what a d*ck says as an excuse for simply being a d*ck. The site does not give any sort of constructive criticism of why a photo does or doesn't work, it simply is there to tear people down for the sake of getting a good laugh. If I am laughing at a photo on there, I already know whats messed up with it, that is why I am laughing. A beginner, who would make the same exact type of pictures, is not in on the joke. Therefore, they learn nothing.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Actually, through some of the comments, there is helpful advice.

 

[SabrinaO]

So... where can we see your work OP??

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

The seed is planted.

 

[Gaerek]

So... where can we see your work OP??

My work's out there, if you care to look. You see, I actually know what I'm doing and don't need affirmation or help from others on a beginning photo forum. I also have the good sense that many (including yourself) lack, not to try to sell said photographs because I actually know they're not good enough. But hey, keep selling those photo CDs, using gold reflectors in the shade, and shooting entire sets, without realizing your focus is off. It'll pay off eventually! Seed may be planted, but it won't take root.

I hope your photos never end up on that site!

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Sorry Gaerek, I think it is taking root. Can we get a drama roll please?

 

[Gaerek]

No, but I can give a preemptive violin for certain individuals...
:violin:

 

[SabrinaO]

So... where can we see your work OP??

My work's out there, if you care to look. You see, I actually know what I'm doing and don't need affirmation or help from others on a beginning photo forum. I also have the good sense that many (including yourself) lack, not to try to sell said photographs because I actually know they're not good enough. But hey, keep selling those photo CDs, using gold reflectors in the shade, and shooting entire sets, without realizing your focus is off. It'll pay off eventually! Seed may be planted, but it won't take root.

I hope your photos never end up on that site!

I did look because you seem so invested on what I do, how I shoot, how I edit and how I run my business so I thought.. "hey.. let me see what this person is all about!" So I searched your posts and found some M.I.A C&C pics, and a few shots of a boat and a marina which yes... aren't good at all. I also saw several of your posts along with this one judging photographers and i'm like "who are you to judge?"
Oh and whats wrong with shooting with a gold reflector in the shade? Also, my focus has never been off... you should know that since you stalk all my threads.
I know I have a ways to go... but I know that NONE of my photos will not end up on that site!
Maybe instead of bashing other photographers... maybe you should stop hiding or deleting your photos so we can have a go at your work...

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

See!

 

[Gaerek]

I did look because you seem so invested on what I do, how I shoot, how I edit and how I run my business so I thought.. "hey.. let me see what this person is all about!" So I searched your posts and found some M.I.A C&C pics, and a few shots of a boat and a marina which yes... aren't good at all. I also saw several of your posts along with this one judging photographers and i'm like "who are you to judge?"
Oh and whats wrong with shooting with a gold reflector in the shade? Also, my focus has never been off... you should know that since you stalk all my threads.
I know I have a ways to go... but I know that NONE of my photos will not end up on that site!
Maybe instead of bashing other photographers... maybe you should stop hiding or deleting your photos so we can have a go at your work...

*sigh*

Some people never learn. Thanks for the laughs Tin...err, I mean Sabrina.

And Bitter, sorry for ever doubting you. Won't happen again sir!

 

[SabrinaO]

I did look because you seem so invested on what I do, how I shoot, how I edit and how I run my business so I thought.. "hey.. let me see what this person is all about!" So I searched your posts and found some M.I.A C&C pics, and a few shots of a boat and a marina which yes... aren't good at all. I also saw several of your posts along with this one judging photographers and i'm like "who are you to judge?"
Oh and whats wrong with shooting with a gold reflector in the shade? Also, my focus has never been off... you should know that since you stalk all my threads.
I know I have a ways to go... but I know that NONE of my photos will not end up on that site!
Maybe instead of bashing other photographers... maybe you should stop hiding or deleting your photos so we can have a go at your work...

*sigh*

Some people never learn. Thanks for the laughs Tin...err, I mean Sabrina.

And Bitter, sorry for ever doubting you. Won't happen again sir!

Learn what?? What are you talking about???