You are not a Photographer

[brandibell]

You've had 8 blog posts for 2010 and around 5 so far this year. That tells me this is the number of clients so far this year? Maybe you just gave up and now you are working at a department store portrait studio which is why your... umm *their* business plan is so thorough? Is that why you are selling all your lenses? Oh and stupid me for actually using marketing strategies and giving promotional deals to my fans. Shoot... maybe I shouldnt give a damn like you and just neglect my site and my facebook page. That strategy will sure roll in the clients...

Some photographers dont use social media & networking for business. Social media is a great tool but it's not essential photographers were doing fine before social media came around and many will do fine with out it. Everyone has different marketing and advertising strategies based on what works best for them, so just because someone doesn't update their website/blog/twitter/Facebook doesn't mean they aren't bringing in customers and just because someone consistently updates the said above doesn't mean they are bringing in paying clients. Also keep in mind not every client will be willing to sign a model release and allow the photog to use the images

Just saying......

 

[g-fi]

You're SO CUTE! It's like you just can't help yourself. I know, it's hard to understand any sort of business model that doesn't involve trying to sell yourself as a $50/session photographer on Facebook or Craigslist, but it's totes cute the way you are so concerned about my business! It's hard to imagine not having to run after your clients and chase them down and work to get them to book with you, isn't it?

Oh yes, and YOU TOTALLY CAUGHT ME! Clearly I work in Wal-Mart or JcPenney's since I'm not spamming the internet with how I've dropped my prices for the latest mini session! It all TOTES makes sense now! Someone give that girl a cherry Tootsie Roll pop, because she is just so smart, you might as well just shut the internet down! If anyone wants a discount on the latest fall themed vinyl backdrop specials at Wal-Mart, you know where to find me! I will HOOK YOU UP!

It's just so awesome that you can't even make this stuff up. I would stay up all night long just to read yet another ridiculous response or speculation, it's just that good. The train has wrecked, the hazardous material from the tanks cars is gushing over the childrens playground, and the gawkers have to take two big steps back in order to continue to gawk safely. LOVE IT.

 

[Kbarredo]

I'm not a pro

exactly!
What is this a photographers version of the dirty website. I know that I am guilty of photographer hating myself but come on this is just bs. Who devotes a whole site to insult peoples work. I did check it out and I thought they were bad but no need to make a whole site about it.

 

[Neil S.]

So in summary....

The photos in the link are very bad, in some cases so bad that I was cringing.

Was it cruel? Sure, why not lol.

Does it matter? Why would it?

Bad photos are bad.....the end.

We can all learn alot about what NOT TO DO from this. I would never even think about keeping 90% of those, so I guess I am doing at least something right.

 

[Kbarredo]

It's midnight Bitter...what else we got to do but read the drama? :mrgreen:

Curl up and have some popcorn with me. I'll share...

Here's yours

Sorry guys, unless Sabrina attempts to make sense again in the next few minutes, I'm going to have to call it a night. Have to be at work in about 6 hours!

Well shoot, I wonder what's on HBO?

You ever watched game of thrones? Its freaking awesome I watched a full season in 1 sitting.

 

[Gaerek]

Awesome guys! I knew you didn't need my help to make it to page 8.

@SabrinaO: Everytime you post, you prove even more that you have no clue what you're doing. You want to see a photo by me? Ok, post your actual business plan, and I'll post a photo for you all to tear apart. If you actually did know what you're doing, this should be easy. However, if my suspicion is correct, you don't have one, so this won't be a problem.

@g-fi: Keep up the good work. You have shown you actually know what you're doing. You probably have 4 times the client volume as the facebook photographer here, and can charge twice as much.

@Kbarredo: Glad to see you're still around. Now go back to lifting your weights, or punching people for money, or whatever it is you do. You missed the bus on this thread!

 

[Kbarredo]

Awesome guys! I knew you didn't need my help to make it to page 8.

@SabrinaO: Everytime you post, you prove even more that you have no clue what you're doing. You want to see a photo by me? Ok, post your actual business plan, and I'll post a photo for you all to tear apart. If you actually did know what you're doing, this should be easy. However, if my suspicion is correct, you don't have one, so this won't be a problem.

@g-fi: Keep up the good work. You have shown you actually know what you're doing. You probably have 4 times the client volume as the facebook photographer here, and can charge twice as much.

@Kbarredo: Glad to see you're still around. Now go back to lifting your weights, or punching people for money, or whatever it is you do. You missed the bus on this thread!

glad to see you're still kissing ass.

 

[Gaerek]

glad to see you're still kissing ass.

You're not nearly as entertaining as Sabrina.

 

[SabrinaO]

You're SO CUTE! It's like you just can't help yourself. I know, it's hard to understand any sort of business model that doesn't involve trying to sell yourself as a $50/session photographer on Facebook or Craigslist, but it's totes cute the way you are so concerned about my business! It's hard to imagine not having to run after your clients and chase them down and work to get them to book with you, isn't it?

Oh yes, and YOU TOTALLY CAUGHT ME! Clearly I work in Wal-Mart or JcPenney's since I'm not spamming the internet with how I've dropped my prices for the latest mini session! It all TOTES makes sense now! Someone give that girl a cherry Tootsie Roll pop, because she is just so smart, you might as well just shut the internet down! If anyone wants a discount on the latest fall themed vinyl backdrop specials at Wal-Mart, you know where to find me! I will HOOK YOU UP!

It's just so awesome that you can't even make this stuff up. I would stay up all night long just to read yet another ridiculous response or speculation, it's just that good. The train has wrecked, the hazardous material from the tanks cars is gushing over the childrens playground, and the gawkers have to take two big steps back in order to continue to gawk safely. LOVE IT.

At least you're admitting it now. Its just makes sense

 

[Gaerek]

At least you're admitting it now. Its just makes sense

Sarcasm > you

 

[SabrinaO]

You've had 8 blog posts for 2010 and around 5 so far this year. That tells me this is the number of clients so far this year? Maybe you just gave up and now you are working at a department store portrait studio which is why your... umm *their* business plan is so thorough? Is that why you are selling all your lenses? Oh and stupid me for actually using marketing strategies and giving promotional deals to my fans. Shoot... maybe I shouldnt give a damn like you and just neglect my site and my facebook page. That strategy will sure roll in the clients...

Some photographers dont use social media & networking for business. Social media is a great tool but it's not essential photographers were doing fine before social media came around and many will do fine with out it. Everyone has different marketing and advertising strategies based on what works best for them, so just because someone doesn't update their website/blog/twitter/Facebook doesn't mean they aren't bringing in customers and just because someone consistently updates the said above doesn't mean they are bringing in paying clients. Also keep in mind not every client will be willing to sign a model release and allow the photog to use the images

Just saying......

I know its not essential... and of course I know having a Facebook page doesn't make you a photographer. I just find it strange that her "website" is basically abandoned/neglected. I mean we are in the internet era and everyone looks to the internet to find a photographer, or see their work. Her website is blog based and every active photographer that I know updates their blog, and posts sneak peaks for at least one of their clients at least once a week. Her last update was in May so that seems strange.
I'm not even saying that having a blog makes you a photographer either... but if she is going to get on me for my lack of business skills (which I admit!) she should at LEAST know that having an active blog would benefit her. I mean where else is she displaying her work for potential clients?

 

[SabrinaO]

Awesome guys! I knew you didn't need my help to make it to page 8.

@SabrinaO: Everytime you post, you prove even more that you have no clue what you're doing. You want to see a photo by me? Ok, post your actual business plan, and I'll post a photo for you all to tear apart. If you actually did know what you're doing, this should be easy. However, if my suspicion is correct, you don't have one, so this won't be a problem.

@g-fi: Keep up the good work. You have shown you actually know what you're doing. You probably have 4 times the client volume as the facebook photographer here, and can charge twice as much.

@Kbarredo: Glad to see you're still around. Now go back to lifting your weights, or punching people for money, or whatever it is you do. You missed the bus on this thread!

You are just pathetic! LOL...keep on making excuses in why you hide and not show your "work". Business plan? Did I not say I did things ass backwards? I knew NOTHING on running a business when I started photography, but now I am actually seeking the business help I need and signed up with a local SCORE.
Anyways, keep judging and bashing the photographers that actually put out their work for C&C's while you continue to be a coward and hide your work because of what you already know... your work is not good.

 

[Helen B]

I mean we are in the internet era and everyone looks to the internet to find a photographer, or see their work.

No they don't. You have no idea.

 

[SabrinaO]

I mean we are in the internet era and everyone looks to the internet to find a photographer, or see their work.

No they don't. You have no idea.

Well then please do tell. How do you market yourself, or pass out fliers/business cards/newspaper ads and don't have a site to refer someone to? What is she doing... carrying around an actual porfolio?

Ok... im going to hire you to take pics of my son. I don't know really your style and your portfolio is sparce but yes... ill shell out 300+ for a photoshoot from you.

 

[Gaerek]

You are just pathetic! LOL...keep on making excuses in why you hide and not show your "work". Business plan? Did I not say I did things ass backwards? I knew NOTHING on running a business when I started photography, but now I am actually seeking the business help I need and signed up with a local SCORE.
Anyways, keep judging and bashing the photographers that actually put out their work for C&C's while you continue to be a coward and hide your work because of what you already know... your work is not good.

At the very least, tell your clients you have no clue what you're doing. Have a little integrity. Under the 'experience' tab on your website, the honest thing to do woul be to say you only picked up a DSLR 9 months ago. And for Gods sake, quit charging them to help you learn. That's disingenuous, and borderline fraud.

As I've said, you are no one to be judging my work, after seeing what you produce. I need no affirmation. I went through the need help and need affirmation stage, oh, 10 years ago. I'll post photos when I want to, not because some wannabe wants me to prove my ability (something I accomplished, with people who actually know what the hell they're doing, years ago). Keep browsing, you'll see my work eventually and then you can try to rip it apart.