Young Models

[jlykins]

Pictures 4 & 5: Totally inappropriate poses for a child that age.

Guess it's a good thing that I didn't do the posing then...

 

[manaheim]

I concur with the creepy, but 2 and 3 are very nice.

 

[photographyfanatic]

4 and 5 are disturbing to me! The shots of the 12 year old are fine, but the ones of the 7 year old give me the creeps. They are so wrong! You are so wrong for shooting thoses poses. Even though you say you did not suggest those poses, you are responsible for what you shoot and how it portrays the MINORS in your photos. I am a mother myself and I am outraged that any mother would stand by and watch her 7 year old daughter pose like that and just do nothing! If the mother didn't care then you as a father yourself should and KNOW BETTER! I don't care what they were paying you should REFUSE to shoot such small kids in a way that sexulaizes them!!!!!! SHAME on you for allowing that! What if someone did that to your child - exploited them for money! The fact that after you shot them, knowing it was creepy and wrong, you still posted them on the internet where any old pervert can see them and take them and post them anywhere. Seriously why would you post those shots of the 7 year old? How could you be proud that you allowed that and shot that!!! Parents should be warned about photographers like you! Sickening!

 

[manaheim]

4 and 5 are disturbing to me! The shots of the 12 year old are fine, but the ones of the 7 year old give me the creeps. They are so wrong! You are so wrong for shooting thoses poses. Even though you say you did not suggest those poses, you are responsible for what you shoot and how it portrays the MINORS in your photos. I am a mother myself and I am outraged that any mother would stand by and watch her 7 year old daughter pose like that and just do nothing! If the mother didn't care then you as a father yourself should and KNOW BETTER! I don't care what they were paying you should REFUSE to shoot such small kids in a way that sexulaizes them!!!!!! SHAME on you for allowing that! What if someone did that to your child - exploited them for money! The fact that after you shot them, knowing it was creepy and wrong, you still posted them on the internet where any old pervert can see them and take them and post them anywhere. Seriously why would you post those shots of the 7 year old? How could you be proud that you allowed that and shot that!!! Parents should be warned about photographers like you! Sickening!

Wow... judge much?

Calm down.

 

[photographyfanatic]

Judge much? Well yes since he put them here for judgement!!!!So yes I will judge these as they are. As I said sickening! Anyone who looks at number 5 will see that. There are many others here who have agreed that they are wrong. As a photographer you need to be liable for what you put out there. Is that the kind of reputation he wants to build? To be known as the photographer who looks the other way and shoots and posts such photos of kids? So when it comes to the sexualization of kids - no I will not calm down. The problem is that you are not outraged yourself. Children need to be protected. Not exploited and that is what is going on here. From the mother, photographer,and anyone else who doesn't get why those are wrong, and would post them. I am sure photo forum would agree. The photos of the 12 year old are very nice, but no one will remember this photographer for those. Instead he will be remembered as the guy who took and posted the creepy pictures of a little girl.

 

[photographyfanatic]

Short of illegal I don't really care what I shoot. It didn't seem too creepy at the time. Looking back on the photos now, yeah they seem a little age inappropriate but really all it boils down to is a parent letting their kid grow up too fast. I mean I would venture to say that a lot of the young girls that are in these pagents and into modeling do poses that are a little ahead of their age. If you were a young model, looking up to these adult models doing shots like this, you would probably want to try to be as much like them as you could too. Either way, Lucky is right, I'm not turning away a customer...

With an attitude like this, you should not be allowed to shoot kids. Anything for a dollar? Gross!

 

[manaheim]

Judge much? Well yes since he put them here for judgement!!!!So yes I will judge these as they are. As I said sickening! Anyone who looks at number 5 will see that. There are many others here who have agreed that they are wrong. As a photographer you need to be liable for what you put out there. Is that the kind of reputation he wants to build? To be known as the photographer who looks the other way and shoots and posts such photos of kids? So when it comes to the sexualization of kids - no I will not calm down. The problem is that you are not outraged yourself. Children need to be protected. Not exploited and that is what is going on here. From the mother, photographer,and anyone else who doesn't get why those are wrong, and would post them. I am sure photo forum would agree. The photos of the 12 year old are very nice, but no one will remember this photographer for those. Instead he will be remembered as the guy who took and posted the creepy pictures of a little girl.

I think we all understand your general point of concern. Pretty much everyone who posted expressed the concern. I, myself, turned to a coworker and said "Good lord, I hope my daughters don't look like that when they are 12!"

From what I've heard, I think the photographer handled the situation as they should have. Whether or not they walked off the scene or refused to take the pictures is a matter of business sense, principles, and art. All three of those are pretty subjective, and it is absolutely not for you to personally judge if the OPs choices were right or wrong.

No laws were broken... no laws were even gently nudged... and the parents were present and approved of the pictures being taken, even when the photographer expressed some concern.

The problem here is that you are being unconstructive and reactionary, and all that will accomplish is to actually make you look foolish.

If anything, it is the parents who should be questioned and not the photographer... and even then... really not your place.

 

[Arch]

Please lets stop this OTT reaction.
If you do not like the photos, state why and then leave this thread, please do not attack the image poster.

We can all have our opinions like 'i would never let my daughter do that'... but other than that, no one is sick or 'wrong'. If it is not illegal, or 'porn' then there is nothing to argue about.

Now back to normal c&c:

To be honest there is only one image i dislike out of the set and that is #5 for the reason that the position the girl is in is meant to accentuate curves, which i don't think is appropriate for such a young girl. But this is not porn, its just a pose that doesn't work. I don't find any of the others distasteful.

 

[photographyfanatic]

I think we all understand your general point of concern. Pretty much everyone who posted expressed the concern. I, myself, turned to a coworker and said "Good lord, I hope my daughters don't look like that when they are 12!"

From what I've heard, I think the photographer handled the situation as they should have. Whether or not they walked off the scene or refused to take the pictures is a matter of business sense, principles, and art. All three of those are pretty subjective, and it is absolutely not for you to personally judge if the OPs choices were right or wrong.

No laws were broken... no laws were even gently nudged... and the parents were present and approved of the pictures being taken, even when the photographer expressed some concern.

The problem here is that you are being unconstructive and reactionary, and all that will accomplish is to actually make you look foolish.

If anything, it is the parents who should be questioned and not the photographer... and even then... really not your place.

It absolutley is for me to judge when the pictures are posted in this forum for review!!! Do you really think that number 4 and 5 don't cross the line? As a professional I don't think he should of walked off the shoot, but I do feel it is his resposiblity to sway the parents in a different direction with photos like 4 and 5. After all it is HIS reputation that is on the line. No parent or photographer I know would ever want to be associated with a photographer that walks such a fine line with no discretion at all. It's a 7 year old! Would you?To me it's abusive of any parent to allow their child to be photographed in such a way. Remember we are talking about a SEVEN year old! It's shows poor morals, poor judgement, poor buisness sense, and a poor world view of that photographer to shoot and post number 4 and 5. How could anyone assist an ignorant parent exploit their kid? To me no dollar amount would ever be worth the damage to my professional, artistic, and personal reputation taking and posting such photos would bring.

 

[Big Mike]

I think the point has been made.

 

[photographyfanatic]

Please lets stop this OTT reaction.
If you do not like the photos, state why and then leave this thread, please do not attack the image poster.

We can all have our opinions like 'i would never let my daughter do that'... but other than that, no one is sick or 'wrong'. If it is not illegal, or 'porn' then there is nothing to argue about.

Now back to normal c&c:

To be honest there is only one image i dislike out of the set and that is #5 for the reason that the position the girl is in is meant to accentuate curves, which i don't think is appropriate for such a young girl. But this is not porn, its just a pose that doesn't work. I don't find any of the others distasteful.

So I can only have an opinion that you like? It is my opinion that those 2 photos are out of line. I did not attack the poster. I stated my opinion. It is ridiculous that you state that it must be illegal or porn to be debated. Thats insane! What's wrong with a heate debate? Where's the harm in a good discussion/debate wheather it's heated or not?

 

[manaheim]

*rolls eyes*

Aaaaaaaaanyway...

To OP: I want to say again how much I really like 3. 2 is kinda cute, but I think there's just too much wall in it. There are a couple cases where I think these shots would be really dressed up by a different crop... notice, for example, in 2... you're tighter in on the subject and the line of her body starts in the bottom left and never really quite brings her into the center of the shot... that's really nice.

btw, a friend pointed out that in 4... if she was smiling, it might have eliminated the "curse" of it... brought innocence back into the shot a bit.

In 6, it strikes me as the girl just looks off-balance and uncomfortable... like the shot you intended occurred just before or after this one, and this was her getting into position or something.

Anyway, still some good stuff and I think with a bit of tweaking some really appealing shots. Nice work and good eye.

Don't let the crazies get you down.

 

[Big Mike]

I did not attack the poster.

Sounds a bit like an attack to me...

SHAME on you for allowing that!

Parents should be warned about photographers like you!

While we are on the topic...keep in mind that how someone interprets an image, has a lot to do with their own values.
Does the position of arms and legs make an image sexual to you? It is possible that you are interjecting a sexual overtone to images where it's non-existent? And who's to say if it's non-existent or not? Hard to say because everyone interprets it differently.

Of course, there are societal differences to be considered. In Europe, you may find an magazine ad for a sauna showing a naked family of four. In America, many would call that porn and be outraged.

 

[Arch]

It is ridiculous that you state that it must be illegal or porn to be debated.

I said no such thing... if its illegal or porn it will be deleted not debated.

As Mike has already pointed out, you are being aggressive.. makes no difference to me what the subject is, calm down and leave this thread i have said already. There's no need for this to go further if you just leave it alone now, thanks.

 

[jlykins]

First of all, I had consent before I posted them up. I won't turn down a job, unless it's illegal. You don't stay in business turning away jobs. The mother in this situation thought her daughter posing was just fine. She's not naked, she's not even partially naked. You could see more going to a local pool in the summer. Yes she has that "sexy" look, but in no way did I or her or her mother for that matter do anything wrong. Yes I did post them up for people on here to see, and for Judgement. Not judgement on if you think it's right or wrong to pose in that manner, but judgement in color, exposure, contrast... I welcome your opinions about the photos, but if you can't refrain from verbally attacking me, you should probably not say anything at all. The moderators don't put up with that kind of stuff long. Thanks for your opinion about the images though.