non-photography

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  1. thebeginning

    thebeginning TPF Noob!

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    They're great shots, but like any art-form, photography has no rules - only guidelines as to what tends to make a pleasing image most of the time. As long as a shot 'works', it doesn't matter if it breaks these guidelines - its still photography! :mrgreen:
     
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    We were doing stuff like this in the 70's and 80's. When I was at College we all armed ourselves with half-frames and as we walked we pointed the camera at random - not using the finder - and saw what we got later. We stole the idea from Dada - and that started about 1910.
    As I have said before - there are only three rules in photography and none of them concern composition.
     
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    what rules?
     
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    Hertz probably won't tell you. ;) He's been secretive about this stuff before.
     
  6. ksmattfish

    ksmattfish Now 100% DC - not as cool as I once was, but still

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    Why not just stick a digital camcorder on your hat and walk around all day filming everything, then pick out the stills later? Actually, I think that this is where the future of photography for the masses is heading. Once they come up with virtually unlimited storage, and micro cameras why not shoot the whole vacation or B-day party, and sort the good pics out later? Heck, pay someone with a better "eye" to do the sorting.

    The site is interesting, but I don't think the author is as free of technical influence as she would like to believe. I think that "anti-consumer photography" would be a better description than "non-photography".

    As Hertz said, it's all been done before, a lot.
     
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    Thanks for that thought, Matt. I've just lost the will to live...
    The footage will probably end up on cable as reality tv shows as well.

    As for the site: if the pictures posted on it are examples then I'm afraid they are talking b*llocks. The pictures chosen to illustrate the 'breaking' of one 'rule' still conform to different compositional values. I think the error lies in choice. Nothing is random if you select it - it conforms to your visual values and these are dictated by things you have no control over (and you are not always aware you are doing it). The choice is always of the ones you like and therefore....
    The only way to avoid having the pictures conform to compositional values is to print everything and pick them at random, blindfolded. And even then the laws of chance are against you.
    It's a 'fill your gas tank with water and add this pill' scam. A nice idea that can't possibly work.

    As for my three unbreakable Laws... :mrgreen:
     
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    Yup.

    I believe that the section on "make your first non-photo" would fall under rules or guidelines (what ever label you decide to use).

    I'd be careful about the "non-consumer" label too. This sort of "zero-composing/limited-control" is becoming a fad and people (the consumer) actually like what they shoot--hanging it on walls and such. It borders on abstraction.

    Here's another link. This one called "lomography".

    With the continued decrease in digital P&S prices, its only a matter of time before this is considered "mainstream".
     
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    I agree with Hertz and Matt.
     
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    ksmattfish Now 100% DC - not as cool as I once was, but still

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    I don't mean that we have to do it that way, but it would be very convenient for the folks who aren't into photography, and just want the "memories".
     
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    Matt, you'd better patent that camcorder-hat while you can. You'll make a bundle. :wink:
     
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    ksmattfish Now 100% DC - not as cool as I once was, but still

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    It probably won't be a hat, more like a broach ;)

    EDIT: I changed my mind, it'll be a sinister orb that hovers over your left shoulder :cyclops:
     

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