A video I shot of how the Canon buttons work

[Derrel]

Dear "InTempus" So, you freely admit you were afraid to use your own,real name when creating a post ? Man, that's an incredible chickens*** maneuver; thankfully you didn't sully your former posting name of tharmsen. Do you plan on using the name InTempus from now on? Is InTempus your new user name for all posts, or will you be reverting to the name tharmsen when not creating hit-and-run videos? Just wondering.

Why not show us how you can press the Canon depth of field preview button while hand-holding a long lens like a 100-400 or your 300/2.8? Oh, right...

Why not show us a video of how you can turn the 5D on with one hand? Oh,right...you can't.

Why not address the real issue: Canon uses THREE buttons, and TWO wheels, to control SIX camera functions? Not dedicated buttons, but a 1987-era system they invented when they dumped their users? (1987 marked the fourth new lens mount Canon had forced on its users since 1959). Nikon uses simple,dedicated buttons and simply went with a more-ergonomically direct, less-modal interface than Canon did when Canon dumped the FD mount and went all-EOS without warning.

Why not show us your 5D's BUILT-IN remote flash commander? Oh, wait, Canon doesn't have a camera that can remotely control external flashes. But many Nikons do though....why didn't you address that aspect of my post?

Why not demonstrate the difficulty of using the Multi-Controller Direct AF area assignment system on the 5D--it's a pathetic imitation of the system Nikon invented. Why not show us how rinky-dink that thing is?

Why not show us the missing AF-ON button on your 5D,and tell us how that lack of a control is compares with a Nikon that has an AF-ON thumb button?

Why not discuss the ALL of the points I brought up,and why not do it in the same thread? Please discuss Canon's color-blind light metering in the 40D versus the color matrix metering in the D90. Oh,right....

Why start a new thread and then deliberately ignore the majority of the functional differences I brought up in a comparison of the 40D versus the D90? Not with the 5D, but the 40D and the D90.

Why not show users how the Canon 40D or the 5D's front control dial switches between shutter,aperture,shutter,and program shift, depending upon which exposure mode one is in? In my car, one pedal is ALWAYS the gas, the other is the brake. Canon switches the gas and the brakes four times in four different gears, so to speak. Please make a video showing the beauty of that system and explain how unpredictability is really a feature.

Why not show us a video of your 5D's in-viewfinder system....its stripped down LED readouts do not even tell the user what ISO is in use, or what exposure mode the camera is set to, when looking through the viewfinder! Lame! (I own a 5D, just FYI--great sensor, el-cheap-o body though).

You cherry-picked the post nicely,and side-skipped areas where you obviously don't have any comparative experience to offer, and you skipped areas where Canon bodies simply do not offer the features comparable (or even lesser-spec'd) Nikon's offer. I own a 20D and 5D; both are basically a $350 EOS Elan body that has been fitted with digital guts. Same slow mirror, same slow shutter lag, same level of body control.

I applaud Canon ripping off Nikon's AF-ON control button, and trying to imitate the positive,predictable,reliable 4-way controller Nikon invented to shift AF area in use. I applaud Canon for now some 13 years later deciding to improve its light metering by adding color-vision to the meter like Nikon did in the 1990's. I've owned both Nikon and Canon bodies (three canons!) for almost five years concurrently,and have 27 years with Nikon alone. I'm perfectly willing to concede areas of Canon weakness,and to talk about them honestly.

Now, why not go back and create a quickie video of the ALL the features mentioned that Canon has a problem with, ergonomically or technically? I would love it if you show group how Canon alternates the functions between the front and rear dials as the metering mode is changed! Gas? Brake? which one will it be? Will I get gas, or brake? With Canon, it shifts!

I would love it if you could show us how you can pick up a Canon and predict with 100 percent certainty WHICH control will change WHICH setting when you have not made an ISO or drive mode adjustment for say, an hour. You have six buttons, each controlling two functions. Can you predict which mode each button was LAST pressed? Can you predict with 100 percent certainty which control, rear wheel or front dial, will be needed to shift the shutter speed? Answers....no, and no. Look thru the 5D...the exposure mode in use is not even shown inside the finder!

Please, create a video to demonstrate the above aspects of my original post.
I am sure the long-time Nikon users will get a kick out of seeing the confusing system with three buttons, two functions each.

Ae you aware that newer,better Nikons have a button mounted on the front of the camera, near the area of the DOF preview button, which can be assigned a function shift? Press the button,and the user-dedicated control automatically makes the desired function active,or makes the shift in the camera's setup?

InTempus or tharmsen....hmmm...dual-identity....nice!

 

[inTempus]

Dear "InTempus" So, you freely admit you were afraid to use your own,real name when creating a post ? Man, that's an incredible chickens*** maneuver; thankfully you didn't sully your former posting name of tharmsen. Do you plan on using the name InTempus from now on? Is InTempus your new user name for all posts, or will you be reverting to the name tharmsen when not creating hit-and-run videos? Just wondering.

Derrel, you're being utterly infantile. I've made no attempt to conceal my real name. Regardless, it has nothing to do with anything. How many posters on the internet use their real last name? You don't.

If it's a major concern for you, follow the link to the YouTube video where my account name is tdharmsen. Jesus, you're a baby. Now you have my middle initial too, as if you'll ever do anything with it.

The video is hardly hit and run, what's hit and run is your false statements about the functions of the Canon system.

As for the rest of your ignorance, go find another thread to crap up with your flame bait. Obviously I struck a nerve exposing your inaccurate claims about the Canon system and now you're resorting to infantile taunts.

All you're attempting to do is to get this thread shut down like the last one. I would ask the moderators to remove you from the thread vs. closing it as its you who can't behave like a mature adult.

 

[JerryPH]

I find the Nikon system so be cluttered. I don't like having to use my left hand (two hands) to select ISO or WB when I can do all of that with my Canon using my right hand.

In either case, Canon or Nikon, it is nothing more than a question of practice. When doing weddings (I've said this before), with my D700 which is near identical in layout to that D300, I can be walking backwards taking pics and changing ISO, WB, shutter, aperture, exposure compensation and not lower the camera from my eye and without breaking my concentration on the scene in front of me and taking shots. Lens is not important, and I have done it often using my 70-200.

I am sure Canon 5DmkII users can do it, I see it often enough... again, just a question of practice.

Ergonomics is highly individualistic and what is better for one is an annoyance for another.

Choose what works for you... and if you do not know what works for you, go visit a camera store and try it out... if that is not enough, rent them both and try it over a weekend. If I was so unsure, I would rather pay $150 in rental fees and be happy with my decision than to pay thousands to find out I hate it and now have to live with it.

Whatever butters your corn is all that matters, right?

 

[fiveoboy01]

I was going to say it in my first post and I will say it now, IBTL

Darrel does seem to have some good points(though the condescending attitude could be done away with) but I've not used Canon extensively so i'll just shut up. As I said, i bet if I used one for a while I'd get used to it, but my initial impression as a noob last winter was that the Nikon was easier overall to navigate, not just controls but the menus seemed easier to access and more well-thought out. I see the point about dedicated hard buttons for WB/ISO/QUAL and though it's easy enough to memorize their positions, it'd be tough to change them while handholding, if you're not using a tri/mono pod.

 

[Hobbes]

Puff Daddy had this vote or die thing back in 2004 and I think mr Derrel should do a "Nikon or Die" campaign now in 2009...

 

[kundalini]

I prefer a cheeseburger over a hamburger
I prefer a chicken sandwich over a cheeseburger
I prefer sautéed onions over raw onions
I prefer Coke over Pepsi
I prefer Yuengling over any other domestic beer
I prefer Jose Cuervo over any other alcholic beverage
I prefer foreign cars over domestic cars
I prefer a manual tranny over an automatic
I prefer thongs over panties (but not on myself)
I prefer boxers over briefs (on myself)


Does that make me a bad person because you prefer something different?

 

[Hobbes]

I prefer a cheeseburger over a hamburger
I prefer a chicken sandwich over a cheeseburger
I prefer sautéed onions over raw onions
I prefer Coke over Pepsi
I prefer Yuengling over any other domestic beer
I prefer Jose Cuervo over any other alcholic beverage
I prefer foreign cars over domestic cars
I prefer a manual tranny over an automatic
I prefer thongs over panties (but not on myself)
I prefer boxers over briefs (on myself)


Does that make me a bad person because you prefer something different?

shhh... stop being such an infidel It's Nikon or die!!

 

[Jaszek]

Puff Daddy had this vote or die thing back in 2004 and I think mr Derrel should do a "Nikon or Die" campaign now in 2009...

YouTube - Vote or Die!

I guess I rather die then. Seriously, Are you Ken Rockwell's kid or something? If you want to talk about how great Nikon is, my teacher vits the forum at Nikonians :: The Nikon User Community. I think you will find people just like you there. If you think Nikon is much better then Canon, great, congrats, you want a cookie?
And About your so called "predictions". Canon is set up like that, so if you have a problem with that call the person who invents these cameras and how they are set up. When I get a Camera I know I will have to get used to anyway. Nikon or Canon.
For me the wheel on the back was uncomfortable and that's one of the few reasons why I went with Canon.

 

[JerryPH]

I prefer thongs over panties (but not on myself)
Does that make me a bad person because you prefer something different?

It would, if you made a typo and forgot to add that part that I bolded.
(ok not bad... just different)

 

[Jaszek]

I prefer thongs over panties (but not on myself)
Does that make me a bad person because you prefer something different?

It would, if you made a typo and forgot to add that part that I bolded.
(ok not bad... just different)

Maybe he mixed the last two up? lol

 

[Hobbes]

I guess I rather die then. Seriously, Are you Ken Rockwell's kid or something? If you want to talk about how great Nikon is, my teacher vits the forum at Nikonians :: The Nikon User Community. I think you will find people just like you there. If you think Nikon is much better then Canon, great, congrats, you want a cookie?
And About your so called "predictions". Canon is set up like that, so if you have a problem with that call the person who invents these cameras and how they are set up. When I get a Camera I know I will have to get used to anyway. Nikon or Canon.
For me the wheel on the back was uncomfortable and that's one of the few reasons why I went with Canon.

uh... check my profile and you'll see. Jesus!
please read my previous post in page 1 before you jump into such conclusions

 

[Dao]

Just another thread for argument ...

Derrel , I do not know why you like to argue that much. Argue with Nikon users, argue with Canon users .... or maybe other users as well.

Can you just get along with others? Do you feel good when you win the argument? Do you feel very bad when someone said bad thing about the system you like? Even if you win all the argument, then what? You do not need to answer the questions. I do not know why I am typing this. It just that you are relatively new in here, but whenever a fire started here, I saw you.


By the way, I am using Canon 40D. I know what the camera can do. It may not perform as good as other BETTER camera, but I still like it. It do what I need it to do. If I want to choose between Canon 40D and Nikon D90, I will choose 40D again. It is my personally choice that I prefer the metal body over plastic body. Just like I prefer EF 50mm F/1.8 MKI over MKII

Anyway, if any of the above words offend you, please accept my apologies. It just that I always see you argue with others . ... ( maybe I am just seeing things)

Cheers

 

[Jaszek]

P.S. Sorry if it offends anyone, but I find this image appropriate for this situation.

 

[kundalini]

I think I'm gonna make this my anthem for all these WE vs THEM threads. It's all bull$hit anyway. The only thing that happens is someone feels good to make someone feel bad.





eacesign:

 

[Montana]

These threads are stupid, but fun to read.