Ansel Adams .. .. ..Was the -=best=- *weak stomach warning*

[tr0gd0o0r]

After reading your post, I am a little confused about its application. Do you always shoot at 1/250th at f/11? Does it only work for sunny days?

 

[terri]

What bothers me is that you actually changed the photograph in this post and bent to being sensored, let alone that you sensored yourself. Censorship, and the suggestions of it, is what is truely disturbing here.

He posted a link to his same image and a warning was added to the title as a gesture of consideration to those who may have been caught off guard by a graphic image they weren't expecting. Consideration to all members is expected. Thanks for understanding.

 

[fmw]

What bothers me is that you actually changed the photograph in this post and bent to being sensored, let alone that you sensored yourself. Censorship, and the suggestions of it, is what is truely disturbing here.

Censorship is something that is covered in the Bill of Rights dealing with freedom of the press. It doesn't relate to private enterprise. It relates to government. Government is now allowed to censor the press.

This is a private forum, owned and operated by individuals, not by a government. As such, the forum can censor or delete anything desired. No need to be disturbed. Be disturbed when the government engages in censorship. There is no such thing as censorship by private individuals - at least in terms of rights.

If this were my forum, I would have deleted the entire thread, especially my own post in it.

 

[Alex_B]

Hey guys, noone wants censorship in here. All this was about is putting up a warning, so people who do not want to look at dead animals being cut to pieces don't have to.

We also put up warnings if something is not work safe or whatever.

this is just politeness, not censorship ...

 

[burtharrris]

Isn't Vericolor discontinued?

 

[Steph]

After reading your post, I am a little confused about its application. Do you always shoot at 1/250th at f/11? Does it only work for sunny days?

It only works for sunny days. What Majik Imaje uses is basically the good old 'Sunny f/16 rule'.

 

[JC1220]

It is a form of censorship however you put it. Private or public, photography, art is about that freedom of expression, personally could care less where it happens, I understand the worksafe, I understand warning people, it is part of the overly PC world we live in. I don't have to like it and in a way he was censored by self or the responses he received pressured him to do so. Thats my take on it and I hate to see it. Yes, I if I was the moderator I would remove these unrelated threads, not the orginal. I think is great that he shared what he did, practical or not, he also got some crap for his thoughts and stuck with it, just wish he continued to stand up for it.

 

[JC1220]

.... and for someone who knew so much about the technical aspescts of photography, AA sure did a lot of manipulation in the darkroom... something to think about.

 

[Corry]

There has already been one warning to keep the thread on topic.

There will not be another one. Keep it on topic, take anything else to PM please.

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[Majik Imaje]

that have arisen.

FIRST I WANT TO SAY THIS: I mean absolutely NO OFFENSE TO anyone.

but .. in all my posts.. I notice ONE THING that consistentlly comes to light.

PEOPLE DON'T HAVE GOOD READING SKILLS! WE now live in a 'visual age"

and the lack of reading skills is very apparent when i see these questions, when the answer is right above located in my post.

No.! vericolor is still made.. "I HAVEN'T TRIED VERICILOR III . YET!

this only works on sunny days? "After you have LEARNED how to shoot in the sun.. then learn how to use this on cloudy days and rainy days.

Do I use this for all exposures? OF COURSE NOT! please re-read about opening and closing of the aperture SLOWLY .

I want to teach people how to "shoot from the hip".. I do not want to TEACH YOU HOW TO READ. Please,,.. slow down.. read it again if you have to.. but slow down.. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON some people are MISSING what I am trying to show you. your rushing.. thinking the next sentence will give you the answer when you have forgotten what you just previosly read.

I have said this many times in many places.. "who am I" ? NO BODY. NOTHING.. I am Just an electrican.. that wanted to learn photography.

I have never had any classes, I have never been to any schools or anything of that nature. BUT I DO KNOW HOW TO TEACH.. based soley on what I have learned from READING.

Everyting I have posted here.. all over this site.. I have learned from READING BOOKS.. only..

I could never print "killer" images. something was WRONG. I knew it. I just didn't know what to do to correct this problem.

BUT ONCE I READ THESE WORDS IN A BOOK.. I understood IMMEDIATELY WHAT I HAD TO "LEARN' HOW TO DO.

THIS was the actual sentence that changed how I printed and how I became so successfull in my "hobby"

......"it would often take Ansel Adams as many as 30 sheets of paper to make one print.

that is the entire sentence. STOP.. I ran down to my darkroom BECAUSE I KNEW AND UNDERSTOOD what that sentence meant!

In the (old style darkrooms).. chemicals & paper.. ( I dont' know anything about digital and I am not going to pretend I do.)

you have to use your "hands" between the enlarger lens and the paper.!

INSTANTLY.. I KNEW WHAT TO DO... but not how to do it.. THIS .... is going to take.. .."practice"!

I suggest to some.. Practice re-reading my post SLOWLY.. !

then I will answer EVERY QUESTION .. to the best of "My Ability"!

dead animals? being cut to pieces ??? I don't want to see that either.

WHERE? that sentence implies something that is not true.

I did censor myself but no I didn't, I merley provided a link and used a more appropriate photo to ILLUSTRATE a difficult exosure. -=click=-

National Geograhic uses PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHERS. they have LEARNED.. from experience.. !

I am trying to pass on experience to you.. in a simple manner.

I use this metod: inside / outside in any type of weather.. day time or night time.

I work in a very disclipined TRADE. electrician.. I cannot afford to make a mistake when connecting high voltages to equipment. If I make a mistake I just created a BOMB! and someone is going to get hurt! I have to take my time. I have to understand WHAT I am reading and how to apply what I am reading to make this equipment work properly. Some times, many times, there are NO INSTRUCTIONS.. and I have to take the time.. to think!

before I can teach you what I have LEARNED about COLOR PRINTING.

FIRST I want to teach you how to EXPOSE FILM "consistently" so that every frams.... has the same DENSITY!

I sincerly doubt many people can afford to use 30 sheets of paper to create a killer image. I was lucky.. I could afford to do this in color.

I didn't purchase Color paper by the 100 sheet box or the 25 sheet pack


I purchased it by the Cases! several at a time. And when I first started to learn how to print using what I had absorbed in that one sentence. then it took me 50 sheets to come up with one EXCELLENT KILLER IMAGE.

once I learned that techique and got the first print EXACTLY the way I wanted it to look, then the next sheet (for that same image) just required one sheet of paper.

BURNING AND DODGING..! i REMEMBER READING THOSE WORDS.. and what they meant! .. thus my "sig"

 

[Aquarium Dreams]

 

[terri]

Bless you for your sense of humor, AD. :thumbup: This thread needed it!

That, and a little tolerance all the way around, would be a beautiful thing, people. Thanks!

 

[Majik Imaje]

... is different. it is not 'proper" grammatical sentence structure.

So, to the very best of "my ability" I try to put one thought, on one line>

THEN MOVE ON.. to the next thought. stop & absorb.

I am trying to explain a simple principle.. of course this is difficult

BECAUSE NOBODY USES THIS METHOD!

ha ha! hey everyone. hey I got a better way to expose film! and once you learn this .. you will NEVER LOOK BACK!..........."hundreds of people"... have made the same statment when coming back to my hobby darkroom..

Ansel Adams had a "method" and he was the best of the best there ever ever was. I am no way ever compaing my self to that GIANT.. I am a mere pebble.

He wrote books. .that DEMAND reading if you want to become.. BETTER..

than you ever thought possible with YOUR abilities!

I wanted to be the "best"! I was / am obsessed! with photography!
and I was very very very fortunate to have enough money to print case after case after case after case of color paper with "bricks" of Vericolor film" to play with and PRACTICE.

I have the PROOF to offer.. and I post.. "my images".. as proof.

I have magazine articles, newpaper articles, books etc etc etc etc.

ALL THAT DOESN'T MEAN SQUAT TO ME...

you want to know what I really think,, means a LOT to me..

I wish.. I could see the smile . on YOUR FACE.. when this ALL FINALLY SINKS IN!
then I want to see the spectacular images that YOU CREATE.. !!!

that will make me smile!!

I want to teach EVERYONE.. 4 things only

HOW TO EXPOSE FILM

HOW TO PRINT KILLER IMAGES

HOW TO MAKE BIG BUCKS

HOW TO RETIRE!

 

[Majik Imaje]

This thread is about "How to expose film" PROPERLY

USING NO LIGHT METER AT ALL.

GRAB a roll of YOUR FAVORITE FILM.. I use Kodak only .. for a "reason"!

I had very bad expeiences when I tried using other brands, kits, etc to print color. I could NOT get consistent results. and my thinking was/is

Kodak is perhaps the Oldest.. and certainly the best.. in MY opinion (only).

They produce & manufacture CONSISTENTLY.. film, paper, chemicals etc.

These products, when directions are followed to the exact details. PRODUCE startling results. Gorgeous Color.. everone today is "spoiled" with the digital revolution. I mean no offense. let me explain.

the technology you have now. today.. I first read about it in Camera 35 magazine in 1974 . and I was furious! when I saw that pic (illustration) of a computer a camera and a printer. -=click=-

I had to study and work work work and I failed miserably year after year afer year. 1969 -1973...Then .. I read a simple sentence! and EVERYTHING changed!

I have no reason to lie to you or to try and deceive you whatsoever.

I had a huge hobby darkroom. It was the size of a two bedroom apartment. 20' x 40 '

I put an add in the newspaper. Color Printing Classes, Learn how to Print your own color enlargments. 8 week class, one night per week, 200 $ paid in advance. when the student paid me 200$, I would hand them 8 rolls of film. Load one in your camera.. turn off your light meter, read the words in the package and do what that says only.. and go to a park or the beach or an open area and shoot one roll only!

INSTANTLY I had 25 students .. so I could practice my method of teaching. Each student went to my class only ONE NIGHT per week.

What did they get for $200 ? About 60 8 x 10's color 20 11 x 14 color & 5 - 16 x 20 color enlargments.. well worth the price!

I now have $5,000 to "play with"

Kodak Paper by the case(s) and EP2 & C-41 chemisty from Hunts.
Ten cases of paper..10 cases of chemicals in 3 1/2 gallon sizes.

A couple of "bricks" of vericolor film" 35mm for the students. I have 5 different students, 5 nights per week.

After the third class.. they dont even need me in the darkroom any more.

they know what to do; and why to do; what they are doing!


Now you can step back.. in time and come to my school.. for free.

I don't want your money. I want you to THINK. about what I am taking the time to put here for a "REFERENCE" to LEARN.

so with the same words; I say to you.. here.. (a roll of film) go outside..

THIS IS DAY ONE: lesson one. GET OUTSIDE in the sun. and take CLOSE UP photos fill that frame with detail..and use 100 ISO for this test.

I personally use 250.. shutter speed because I know from experience..THAT I CANNOT hold my camera steady at that shutter speed, (125) BECAUSE I am using a Mamiya RB 67 with a 360 mm tele lens.. ! I have to use 250 for a shutter speed. You can use 125 or 60 or even 30 maybe ? I can't or wouldn't attempt it.. BECAUSE I want Razor sharp AS MUCH "dof" as possible.

so go out and snap, create, take photos, compose images whatever you want to call it.. go -=click=- ! all over the place. and take notes.

how else are you going to REMEMBER every light situation you encountered.

As you move the camera up to your eye. and LOOK.. is it darker / lighter than my surroundings ? open or close to suit what you SEE. just one stop.

are you casting a shadow when you move in close ? pay attention. if there is a shadow.. that you cast.. open 2 stops. or 3 THIIS IS PRACTICE ONLY. this is your first roll. LEARN TO LOOK OPEN / CLOSE that aperture based soley on what you see. in that VIEWFINDER. but you should already know.. before you get that camera up to eye level and adjust that f-stop ring either 250 @ F 11 or F 16 or F22 or F32.. NOW.. THERE are only so many combinations here to work with on this side of the Aperture ring.
and we know or should know that we will not be using 22 or 32

not when I am using 250 for a shutter speed. I keep my shutter constant.

so with 11 being the center starting point we can open two stops

and close two stops on the other side of the center mark or point of F 11 to include F 8 and F 5.6

5 f-stops, ONLY FIVE! we are still in the sun.. shoot into the sun.. 5.6 I Know that from EXPERIENCE. YOU WILL LEARN the same things as my students did.

ONE THING I will never ever understand... and I mean this with all sincerity. with over 200 students.. how come those students that had MINOLTA cameras.. their photos were far superior to anything that anyone else was using. ?? Every camera brand was used with the exception of Leica. I will never ever understand why!

I have stated 125@ f16 is Ev 15 = 100 ISO

250 @ F11 IS SAME EV different depth of field only.

These are the two settings you will probably be using in the field.

and we all can agree I think. that only 3 things happen when you press

that shutter. too dark, too light perfect!

now you approach something.. anything.. it is in the sun.. you move in closer to crop and is THAT SUBJECT lit from the front? the side ? if that subject is BACK LIT you have to open to 5.6 (starting point)

FRONT LIT. side lit casting shadows.. -=click=- that was my exposure when i saw this lady.. I only had a split second to capture this moment

As I am brining up my camera to expose ONE FRAME OF FILM ONLY. I notice the VALUES SURROUNDING HER. and I open one full stop 250 @ f8

-=click=- http://majikimaje.com/read3.JPG
I HEAR SOME NOISE, I turn around I am looking into brighter sunlight, INSTANTLY I CLOSE ONE STOP. I am always watching the values all around what I am going to crop & compose. -=click=-

http://majikimaje.com/twins2.JPG


It was after I clicked the shutter, that I contiinued to stare at those two women, through the viewfinder. What am I looking at? am I seeing double? blink blink! ha this is funny.. what a pose.. to catch two people in.. split second timing -=click=- I followed those women around for hours. at a great distance. As they walk into the shade I open 2 F-stops and look, they walk back into the sunlight.. close 2 stops.. I am ready.. FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN... ! I only expose.. one frame of film for each composition, or creation, or image. YOU will make mistakes, I did, many of them. UNTIL I learned how / when.. to open that aperture, or close it.

VERICOLOR film will cut down on your mistakes BIG TIME. it is a wonderful film for vibrant " EXACTING COLORS".... that MATCH the original subject.

Those are Kodak's words.. not mine! -=click=- 250 @ F 11

http://majikimaje.com/AapaNAakaweb.JPG

I OPENED one stop because of the grass.. if it had been snow I would have closed one stop. If I move in very very close I will open another stop. only one frame of film was exposed for this VERY IMPORTANT photo.

A Pastor and his Wife. the two oldest living people in the village of Point Hope! Donald & Lilly Oktollik

My sons.. GREAT.. greandparents! 1990 I wish you cold see this 40" x 60" print that was made from this negative. "gasp"!

Oh yes! the heading of this post ?? ?? I will tell you the whole true story of this incredible discovery at the END of this thread!

 

[w.pasman]

Can you clear up your point for need of speed?

The photo you show now, with the guy holding the skin of a bear, does not seem to illustrate a need for speed. I mean, he is just posing there, and if you want to take another ten shots or use your light meter to measure his shoes, I think he would agree ?
Apparently you originally posted the other image, with the just-killed bear and the shooter (is that right?) just next to it.
Even there, one might wonder why the need for speed. Can you elaborate on this? Now you might come with a technical talk about blood that has to be taken out or whatever, but I suspect there is something else.