Automatic ISO

[dizzyg44]

I just wanted to use a line from one of my favorite movies .......

Nothing personal

 

[PhotoXopher]

That's actually the problem. It's not one person saying what they do with their equipment and giving reasons why. It's one person coming into a thread and attacking everyone else because he finds them inferior. Jerry doesn't explain things. He demands that you do things his way of you're inferior, inexperienced and an idiot. When in reality. His methods are ridiculously outdated and generally have no relevance in the threads he enters. He is the one constantly belittling people.

If you see him being insulted and degraded then good. He deserves it. Do unto others...

If you like manual settings fine. But don't come in here and attack everyone else because you can't figure out your camera and they actually use the technology found in todays cameras.

I'll stick my neck out and agree with you 100%. I won't name names but some people come in here with a holier than thou attitude for no apparent reason and talk down on others because they don't do things the same way.

I respect them for their work and as photographers but that's as far as it goes - their attitude sucks.

 

[manaheim]

That's actually the problem. It's not one person saying what they do with their equipment and giving reasons why. It's one person coming into a thread and attacking everyone else because he finds them inferior. Jerry doesn't explain things. He demands that you do things his way of you're inferior, inexperienced and an idiot. When in reality. His methods are ridiculously outdated and generally have no relevance in the threads he enters. He is the one constantly belittling people.

If you see him being insulted and degraded then good. He deserves it. Do unto others...

If you like manual settings fine. But don't come in here and attack everyone else because you can't figure out your camera and they actually use the technology found in todays cameras.

Really? I don't see it.

I see Jerry on this board a lot and he has always offered help and experienced insight to people on this board, and people get ticked off at him for it.

The best I can figure is that he says "I don't do such and such because I know better how to handle this than my camera does", and those of you who DON'T do such and such... perhaps unknowingly... take that as a direct assault on your capabilties as photographers... which it isn't.

I also feel I know more than my camera does in a lot of situations and I -never- use Auto-ISO... in fact, of all the auto features on my camera, I trust that one the least. Does this make me someone worthy of your derision as well?

I also drive a manual transmission car because I like having greater control over how the car performs. Does this make me foolish in some way?

I frequently use an unpowered screwdriver...?

 

[Josh66]

I frequently use an unpowered screwdriver...?

Does it ratchet?

 

[PhotoXopher]

The point is, there's never an explanation - just insult. As if people who do things differently are supposed to know better.

FWIW, my D90 (and D60 for that matter) are quite good at auto ISO and I can set the parameters to my liking (minimum shutter speed for it to be activated as well as maximum ISO used).

I'm not a paid photographer, so maybe that's the difference - I know I'm not the only hobbyist photographer here - so perhaps that's the key in deciphering the statements made. We're all here because we enjoy photography, however we're not all on the same level.

Making blanket statements isn't always the right thing for everyone - a little clarification wouldn't hurt, it's easy to insult - it's another to educate.

 

[itznfb]

That's actually the problem. It's not one person saying what they do with their equipment and giving reasons why. It's one person coming into a thread and attacking everyone else because he finds them inferior. Jerry doesn't explain things. He demands that you do things his way of you're inferior, inexperienced and an idiot. When in reality. His methods are ridiculously outdated and generally have no relevance in the threads he enters. He is the one constantly belittling people.

If you see him being insulted and degraded then good. He deserves it. Do unto others...

If you like manual settings fine. But don't come in here and attack everyone else because you can't figure out your camera and they actually use the technology found in todays cameras.

Really? I don't see it.

I see Jerry on this board a lot and he has always offered help and experienced insight to people on this board, and people get ticked off at him for it.

The best I can figure is that he says "I don't do such and such because I know better how to handle this than my camera does", and those of you who DON'T do such and such... perhaps unknowingly... take that as a direct assault on your capabilties as photographers... which it isn't.

I also feel I know more than my camera does in a lot of situations and I -never- use Auto-ISO... in fact, of all the auto features on my camera, I trust that one the least. Does this make me someone worthy of your derision as well?

I also drive a manual transmission car because I like having greater control over how the car performs. Does this make me foolish in some way?

I frequently use an unpowered screwdriver...?

Yea I see him help maybe 1 out of every 20 posts. The rest are just him trying to make himself look superior or trying to make you look inferior.

I'll refer to the bolded statement: That isn't what he does at all. Take this Auto-ISO for example. He doesn't know how it works or how to implement it properly so he berates everyone who uses it.

I don't really care what settings you use because you don't go into threads and tell people that they are awful because they don't do it the same way you do. I can't even count how many times I've seen Jerry do this.

 

[Josh66]

We're all here because we enjoy photography, however we're not all on the same level.

And, I would think that we would all like to improve - no matter what level you're at now.

Everyone has their preferences... I use M most of the time because that's what I'm comfortable with, and that's what works for me.

If I didn't care what shutter speed or aperture I was using, I would use the green box all the time. The problem is - I do care.

So - why do I not use Av or Tv more? Mostly because I want the control that only M can provide. I meter what I want to meter and adjust accordingly. M is just easier most of the time. Settings don't move every time you move the camera. Sure, you can lock in the exposure in Av or Tv, and recompose - but it just feels like an unnecessary step to me.

 

[itznfb]

We're all here because we enjoy photography, however we're not all on the same level.

And, I would think that we would all like to improve - no matter what level you're at now.

Everyone has their preferences... I use M most of the time because that's what I'm comfortable with, and that's what works for me.

If I didn't care what shutter speed or aperture I was using, I would use the green box all the time. The problem is - I do care.

So - why do I not use Av or Tv more? Mostly because I want the control that only M can provide. I meter what I want to meter and adjust accordingly. M is just easier most of the time. Settings don't move every time you move the camera. Sure, you can lock in the exposure in Av or Tv, and recompose - but it just feels like an unnecessary step to me.

I use manual quite a bit but not more than 20% of the time. My point is.... how many times have you or I tried to make someone feel inferior for not using it?

 

[Josh66]

The rest are just him trying to make himself look superior or trying to make you look inferior.

Honestly, I don't see that. He's just trying to help. Maybe he should write his responses a little differently sometimes, but it's all just trying to help.

 

[PhotoXopher]

Sorry, but essentially telling someone you're a moron for not doing something one way is different than saying you should do it this way because 'insert reason'.

I don't see tha very often from some people.

They are happy to criticize, but offer little for explanation - which to me does nothing for education/help.

I'll add to this that I respect Jerry and other professional photographers for taking the time to share their knowledge, I don't take any of it for granted and appreciate all the help they provide. My point is that it's frustrating/non-productive to be told what to do and not know why.

 

[manaheim]

I frequently use an unpowered screwdriver...?

Does it ratchet?

I don't dare say. If I say no, I may be stoned to death.

Yea I see him help maybe 1 out of every 20 posts. The rest are just him trying to make himself look superior or trying to make you look inferior.

I'll refer to the bolded statement: That isn't what he does at all. Take this Auto-ISO for example. He doesn't know how it works or how to implement it properly so he berates everyone who uses it.

I don't really care what settings you use because you don't go into threads and tell people that they are awful because they don't do it the same way you do. I can't even count how many times I've seen Jerry do this.

Up until about Post 41, I see him mostly trying very hard to honestly answer the barbs being lobbed at him. Then he clearly got a bit miffed... but even then... he was way nicer about it than I would have been.

The simple fact is he probably should have bailed on this long before then, and he didn't. I'd say that was his sole mistake.

Whatever. I'm done bickering about this with you lot. You've clearly got your opinions and will not be changing them. I'll keep this thread in mind and be sure not to abuse you with accurate information in any of your posts in the future.

Here, let me start...

"Auto-ISO rocks! Anyone who doesn't use it 100% of the time is a total freaking moron!"

Oh, and by the way, MY posts have been way nastier than any of Jerry's, so I hope you'll be certain to bash my head in with a rock as well... I like to see equality in my online forums. :thumbup:

 

[itznfb]

I frequently use an unpowered screwdriver...?

Does it ratchet?

I don't dare say. If I say no, I may be stoned to death.

Yea I see him help maybe 1 out of every 20 posts. The rest are just him trying to make himself look superior or trying to make you look inferior.

I'll refer to the bolded statement: That isn't what he does at all. Take this Auto-ISO for example. He doesn't know how it works or how to implement it properly so he berates everyone who uses it.

I don't really care what settings you use because you don't go into threads and tell people that they are awful because they don't do it the same way you do. I can't even count how many times I've seen Jerry do this.

Up until about Post 41, I see him mostly trying very hard to honestly answer the barbs being lobbed at him. Then he clearly got a bit miffed... but even then... he was way nicer about it than I would have been.

The simple fact is he probably should have bailed on this long before then, and he didn't. I'd say that was his sole mistake.

Whatever. I'm done bickering about this with you lot. You've clearly got your opinions and will not be changing them. I'll keep this thread in mind and be sure not to abuse you with accurate information in any of your posts in the future.

Here, let me start...

"Auto-ISO rocks! Anyone who doesn't use it 100% of the time is a total freaking moron!"

Oh, and by the way, MY posts have been way nastier than any of Jerry's, so I hope you'll be certain to bash my head in with a rock as well... I like to see equality in my online forums. :thumbup:

Again.... I've never seen you personally attack someone because their way of doing things differs from yours... until now. And I see this every day from him and a couple others that just think they are gods gift to photography.

 

[fiveoboy01]

That's actually the problem. It's not one person saying what they do with their equipment and giving reasons why. It's one person coming into a thread and attacking everyone else because he finds them inferior. Jerry doesn't explain things. He demands that you do things his way of you're inferior, inexperienced and an idiot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you toss out the first barb by proclaiming that someone who doesn't use all their camera's technological whiz-bang features is stupid?

You may be able to make some manual adjustments and reach more desirable results in certain situations but not learning and using the technology to it's fullest and to your advantage is just plain stupid.

If you want to use M 80%+ of the time just because you think it impresses a bunch of people on a forum then more power to you. Your results will never be as good as they could be.

How do you know what his intentions are? Perhaps he uses M 80% of the time becuase that's what works for him.

Sorry I just don't see where Jerry is attacking anyone. He's simply rather opinionated, and you're taking it too personally.

 

[itznfb]

That's actually the problem. It's not one person saying what they do with their equipment and giving reasons why. It's one person coming into a thread and attacking everyone else because he finds them inferior. Jerry doesn't explain things. He demands that you do things his way of you're inferior, inexperienced and an idiot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you toss out the first barb by proclaiming that someone who doesn't use all their camera's technological whiz-bang features is stupid?

You may be able to make some manual adjustments and reach more desirable results in certain situations but not learning and using the technology to it's fullest and to your advantage is just plain stupid.

If you want to use M 80%+ of the time just because you think it impresses a bunch of people on a forum then more power to you. Your results will never be as good as they could be.

How do you know what his intentions are? Perhaps he uses M 80% of the time becuase that's what works for him.

Sorry I just don't see where Jerry is attacking anyone. He's simply rather opinionated, and you're taking it too personally.

I'm not going to spend all night explaining this but if you see some of his posts and the ridiculous way he talks down to people... you see this every day and then look at his first post in this thread you understand that he's not just making a statement he's implying that the OP is inferior and that he is too good for these noob settings. When in reality it takes more skill to use settings like these, not less.

And I know what his intentions are because he shoves them down this forums throat every day. It's one thing to be opinionated, it's another to think your opinion is the word of god.

I'm not taking it personally. I see other people taking it personally. New people that probably rarely use the internet that never return to the forums because he was an asshole to them.

Granted he is not the only one who acts this way.... but most of the others have left the forums or rarely visit.

 

[fiveoboy01]

if you see some of his posts and the ridiculous way he talks down to people...

Care to provide some examples?

look at his first post in this thread you understand that he's not just making a statement he's implying that the OP is inferior and that he is too good for these noob settings.

Here's his first post:

Nikon D200 and up all have it, but I never use it... I prefer to have total control over my camera, rather than let the camera decide what ISO is good for me.

How you infer the above from his first post, I haven't a clue.

And I know what his intentions are because he shoves them down this forums throat every day.

If your above "interpretation" of Jerry's post is any indication, it's clear that you DON'T know his intentions, or you have a bone to pick, or you're overly sensitive.... Either way I don't care but in this particular thread, YOU started the ****storm, not him.

I've read plenty of Jerry's posts and I haven't really seen anything that rubs me the wrong way... Now if you REALLY want to talk about a condescending individual, well Darrel definitely fits the bill...