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Canon 60D vs 7D vs Nikon D7000


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For those who have used the 7d, my questions involves a review I read from Ken Rockwell. He states the biggest flaw of the 7d is that when the autofocus points generates the black circles/ovals (not sure which, I have never used it) the points do not disappear even after you have established focus and are ready to shoot. He claims that because the points do not disappear it is a distraction to his composition. He even claims that he sometimes can't even tell what his subjects expression is after he is focusing because he can't see them? I'm guessing this is a bit of an exaggeration. But, I was wanting to know the thoughts of those who own the camera and what you think of this.

Tyler
Wedding and Portrait Photography

Hi,
Mr. Ken Rockwell is a proven Nikon fanboy. So, take his comments on Canon SLRs with a pinch of salt. I personally own a 7D and it makes for an excellent camera. True that the AF-points are big and they don't disappear, but, I never faced a problem because of them. Never. The flip side of it is, it is rather an advantage than a disadvantage, because you have a continuous idea of where and what the camera is focussed upon, right from the time the subject is focussed to the time the snap is taken. If the AF point was to disappear after focussing, then, you may tend to loose of it. And it is certainly not annoying as Ken has concluded.

My most preferred mode of AF on the 7D is spot focus with a single point AF and i have programmed the joy stick to shift the AF point - Works like a dream.

If you are 5D user, I am sure you cannot differentiate between both of them, the feeling in the hand and the controls (other than the on-off button that is) are amazingly similar. And I bet, under normal ISO ranges (100-800), they perform alike. You will be at ease with the 7D

Cheers
Prasad
 
I vote 7D but you need to match it against Nikon's D300s to be in the same league. Both are excellent cameras though, just pick one and be happy with it.
 
I own a 7D and have tried the D7000 on atleast 5 different occasions in various camera stores. Each time I held the D7000, I tested it, tried it for atleast 30 mins with multiple settings and here are my observations. With due respect to Ken Rockwell and a few others who have given a thumbs up to the Nikon D7000, I have to admit that all is not well with the D7000. Agreed that the sensor is new and produces less noise at ISO 3200 and up when compared to any other camera in the market, I want to ask everyone, how much work is carried out at the dizzy ISO levels upward of 3200?? And again, the performance if the other SLRs is not that bad - an amateur cannot pick the difference between the results and only pixel peeping on snaps shot above 3200 will suggest for some minute difference - Big deal !! Having said that, one has to appreciate Nikon for a step in the right direction, however small or big.

Coming to the real issues on the D7000. I want to meet a professional shooter who is least interested to know the ISO before and while a shot is taken. If you are one of them, D7000 is for you. Please look elsewhere otherwise for Nikon thinks that ISO is not an important parameters to notify the shooters about it on the viewfinder before a shot is taken. What a bummer !! What it means is everytime you take the camera out of the bag, you need to have a look at the LCD screen, then compose the image, then re-adjust the ISO by looking at the LCD and then take your shot. By not having the ISO setting on the View Finder, Nikon has goofed it up big time. Cannot imagine people having to toggle between the LCD (which by the way is on the top and the view finder).

The next issue on the same lines with the ISO is probably more generic to the Nikon SLRs in general and the same thing getting on with the D7000. Nikon has been miserly in terms of adding buttons on the cameras - They prefer to use the same button for multiple purposes rather than have an easier way of having dedicated buttons for some of the critical functions. One of the example being, to change ISO, you would need to press the ISO button and move the jog dial when the button is pressed. You cannot do that with a single hand. It gets even more complicated as the view finder doesn't show the info on ISO. So, you need to invariable start looking at the LCD, keep the ISO button pressed and then start to move the dial to change the ISO - All of this can be done on any Canon with your right hand alone, without having to take off your eye from the viewfinder and on the fly. Button layouts on the Nikon are tad difficult. The shutter button is another suspect - It is too soft according to my liking and has a tendency to take a few shots accidentally. With technology so advanced these days, wonder why companies cannot let the shutter softness / hardness be set by the user - believe it is going to be very basic.

This is probably the most debated point about the D7000 and related to the metering aspect of it. Take it this way, the D7000 not just tends to, but, seriously blows the highlights. To get any detail out of brigher areas of the photograph, one would need to keep it atleast 1-1.5 stops below normal. At it's default settings, ideas to shoot on a bright sunny day need to be reconsidered. Not just on a bright sunny day, even indoors if there is any area of high contrast. While it is true that this can be adjusted to a fair degree and we can get good results, but, at the default settings, it is a really bad idea to shoot contrast. Get an ND4 filter by default on all your lenses !!

In terms of AF speed, yes, the AF looks exceptional on paper, but, on all instances, the 7D pipped the 7000D in terms of focus speed. In terms of AF accuracy, there is absolutely nothing to differentiate between the two. Some might argue that the 15-85 mm is a USM. I have fitted the 18-55mm kit lens on the 7D and infact, the 7D responded back with pretty fast, though noisy focus speeds. D7000 took a tad longer on all instances. Bot hthe 7D and D7000 came with similar AF accuracy. So, D7000 is better on paper with the AF, but, in practice, not better than the 7D in any stretch of imagination.

That's my take of the D7000. A few people have really spoken big about this camera and infact, at one point, I was myself considering to make the switch to the D7000 after selling my entire Canon kit and moving over to the Nikon. However, after having tried it in various settings, taking multiple shots and seen through the D7000 versus my own 7D, I can definitely say that the D7000 is a great camera, but not close to the 7D as many has concluded to believe. It is not correct to compare 2 cameras which are differently implemented. I have to say that other than having a sensor that gives the benefit of 1-stop in noise, the 7D blows it away in all other aspects. On paper comparisons may tell a different story though. In practice, the story has been a lot different.

Cheers
Prasad
 
I am super satisfied by my D7000

a Canon user friend of mine have this say and comparison on color issue

NIkon = oil based
Canon = Water based

I just don't know much about it becuase i am really a newbie too..... But all i know is my Nikon d7000 is sharp ^^
 
If someone is still undecided, and is fed up with the fight between the two brands, pick up Pentax K-5 ;)
Few pages back, there was a chart, comparing dynamic range between 7D and D7k. Here is a link to that comparison plus Pentax K-5
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Camera-Sensor/Compare/Compare-sensors/%28appareil1%29/619|0/%28appareil2%29/680|0/%28appareil3%29/676|0/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Canon/%28brand2%29/Nikon/%28brand3%29/Pentax

@kvskpin
In D7k's viewfinder ISO is displayed in exactly the same place as it is in 7D. Next time try to look more carefully :) Nikon lets you map front buttons to whatever function you like, if standand button is not to your liking. As for light metering, I find D7k's best there is. My D700 sometimes overexposure in difficult situations (0,3-0.7), but D7k is always accurate. Zones IV and VI are where they were supposed to be.

Someone asked about speed in jpg/raw. I've found a comparison:
[original 7D test Test Canon EOS 7D - Wst, D7k test Test Nikon D7000 - Wst. There was an english version, but I can't find it]

Canon 7D, Pretec CF 333x 8GB, ISO 1600, 1/1000
http://optyczne.pl/114.3-Test_aparatu-Canon_EOS_7D_Użytkowanie_i_ergonomia.html
Scroll down, until you see pictures regarding jpg, raw.

Nikon D7000, SanDisk Extreme SDHC 30MB/s 4GB, ISO 1600, 1/1000
http://optyczne.pl/150.3-Test_aparatu-Nikon_D7000_Użytkowanie_i_ergonomia.html
Scroll down, until you see pictures regarding jpg, raw.

Test lasted for 30s or 100 shots (Nikon limit). As you can see, Canon is faster and has bigger frame buffer, but 8fps is only achieved during first second. As for one Expeed 2 vs two Digic IV ... well, Canon needed two processors to match one Nikons.
And results:
7D: 98 JPEG LARGE FINE (3.27 fps), 33 RAW (1.10 fps)
D7k: 100 JPEG LARGE FINE (3.30 fps), 36 RAW 14-bit (1.20 fps)

Autofocus comparison: 40 shots of resolution benchmark table. Histogram shows deviation from the best resolution.

Canon 7D, f 2.8, Canon EF 100m/f2.8L Macro IS USM (results on EF 50 mm f/1.4 USM and EF 85 mm f/1.8 USM were worse)
http://optyczne.pl/114.3-Test_aparatu-Canon_EOS_7D_Użytkowanie_i_ergonomia.html
At the bottom of the site.
Comparison of four Canons AF is made during normal conditions, second is under bright (front) light.


Nikon D7000, f2.8, Nikkor AF-S 24–70 mm f/2.8G ED
http://optyczne.pl/150.3-Test_aparatu-Nikon_D7000_Użytkowanie_i_ergonomia.html
At the bottom of the site.

D7k's autofocus is inferior to D300's, but I think is more than a match for 7D's.

Conclusion: buy whichever is more comfortable to you :).

Competitors: Pentax K-5, Sony A-580.
 
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kvskpin said:
This is probably the most debated point about the D7000 and related to the metering aspect of it. Take it this way, the D7000 not just tends to, but, seriously blows the highlights. To get any detail out of brigher areas of the photograph, one would need to keep it atleast 1-1.5 stops below normal. At it's default settings, ideas to shoot on a bright sunny day need to be reconsidered. Not just on a bright sunny day, even indoors if there is any area of high contrast. While it is true that this can be adjusted to a fair degree and we can get good results, but, at the default settings, it is a really bad idea to shoot contrast. Get an ND4 filter by default on all your lenses !!
Cheers
Prasad

This is the typical "I've tried the camera in the store,and really do not know how to set the camera up, and it overexposed" line of crap that I expect from Canon users (paid schills? ad agency plants?) with three posts under their belt. Parroting something they might have read. Or, just being an uninformed camera shopper, with no clue as to how to set the camera.

Here, read some ACCURATE information from a person who actually has done more than stand at a sales counter five times and snap pictures with a store's D7000... from Thom Hogan's review of the D7000:

"Metering System
Another surprise. The matrix meter on the D7000 is good. Real good. The old "overemphasis on focus sensor being used" has been mitigated somewhat (and really only happens when you use AF S focus). Moreover, I was surprised to see that it isn't easily fooled by large expanses of white or black. When Nikon said they tweaked the color-consideration aspect of the matrix system, they weren't kidding. The pattern recognition seems better and more refined, too. Things that completely flummoxed the D90 meter were handled just fine by the D7000. But watch your focus setting: it impacts the metering, and you need to be aware of that. The patterns and tendencies are different for single servo AF versus continuous."

"I've noticed a bit of chatter on the net about "overexposure." But that's not what's really happening with the D7000 metering system. No, it's that color matching and pattern matching coming into play. And correctly, I think. Let's say, for example, that there's a skin tone in the foreground of your scene. Perhaps the person with that skin is even a bit backlit. Well, the D7000 certainly sees that skin tone and knows where to put it on the tonal scale. But in previous Nikon matrix meters, if the background was producing values that would blow out the histogram, the matrix meter tended (but not always and not completely) to preserve highlights. I don't see as much of that with the D7000 (except in single servo AF). It's not going to preserve those highlights at the expense of what it thinks is "subject." It certainly won't preserve them as much as previous Nikon matrix meters, even when it decides to do so. Two other things play into the "overexposure" issue. First, there's gamma. People coming from older (pre-D3) Nikon bodies and seeing Picture Controls for the first time are reacting to the mid-range boost that the default Picture Control applies compared to the old style image settings. Second is contrast. The defaults (and many of the other Picture Controls) push contrast a bit, and that has a tendency to make bright seem brighter."

"The corollary is that if you pop up the flash for some fill, the D7000 seems to get that exposure just a little more on target than previous consumer cameras. Nikon's obviously done a lot of tweaking, and for those of you coming from another Nikon DSLR, there's going to be a learning curve before you manage to fully grock the new matrix patterns and tendencies."

"However, all isn't perfect. Be aware of one very big caveat: when the scene you're metering hits 16.3 EV, the matrix metering system gives up and sets its value for 16.3 EV, no matter how much more light there may be. EV 16.3 at ISO 100 is f/11 at 1/500, which is barely beyond Sunny 16. This won't occur all that often in your shooting, but it does occur sometimes, so make note of that. In really bright light conditions (snow, beach, etc.) you probably need to be in centerweighted metering."

"Color
The D7000 uses the same Picture Control system that all the current Nikon DSLRs now use. As far as I can see, the results are very close to the same as those with other Nikon DSLRs, with only some modest differences. In general, every Nikon now tends to produce near accurate color with a bit too much saturation and contrast as the default. Indeed, so much so that if you leave the camera set at the default settings you'll slightly limit the dynamic range you can capture. I strongly suggest that you be careful to not put too much oomph into your JPEGs, as it's difficult to back out contrast and saturation, once recorded. My personal preference is to set my D7000 for a more accurate, bland look (Neutral, sometimes with -1 Contrast) and add in any contrast and saturation I might want in the final image. However, many D7000 customers are likely to be shoot-but-don't-post-process photographers, and probably won't take my advice. Just be aware that you'll have a tough time with high contrast scenes if you start dialing up the controls to get that punch you want. (This usually prompts them to turn on Active D-Lighting, but the combination of too much contrast and saturation with in-camera pull-up of shadow detail tends to bring up more noise.)" --end quoted passage from Thom Hogan's Nikon D7000 review----

Nikon D7000 Review by Thom Hogan

So, if you want good information, go to a good source for accurate information, and not somebody with three posts, advocating buying what he happened to buy...just sayin...
 
I think what o hey tyler is trying to say it that you're really overthinking this choice and its been several months already ;). At this rate well be onto the 7DM2 and whatever the D7000 upgrades to before you've made a choice.

Just put both names into a hat - go to the shop - pick one out of the hat and buy that one - and then get shooting ;)


love you already:lol:
 
Wow, glad you waited a MONTH TO BUMP THIS THREAD AGAIN.
 
*moving to equipment subsection*


It's been a year almost - are you ever going to buy camera? There is such a thing as too much research ;)
 
...pure magnesium alloy...
An oxymoron.

If it's pure, it cannot be an alloy. If it's an alloy, it isn't pure.

Then you'd better not refer to anything that's composed of 2 elements as "pure" ... right?

So, sugar can't be pure... nor water.

Your idio-logic baffles me... yet entertains me at the same time. Thank you for being you. I'm sure all of your "friends" think you're a real expert at just about everything, don't they?

FYI, you may want to actually look up the definition of pure. All of the ones I found seem to contradict your logic.
 
*moving to equipment subsection*


It's been a year almost - are you ever going to buy camera? There is such a thing as too much research ;)

Hi there, i see you're already a moderator here xD
Good to know! Actually currently I am using only iPhone 4 and Samsung Galaxy S2 lol! xD
I posted a reply here so I can get more replies, apparently nobody is checking the Sony sub section thread.
 
...pure magnesium alloy...
An oxymoron.

If it's pure, it cannot be an alloy. If it's an alloy, it isn't pure.

Then you'd better not refer to anything that's composed of 2 elements as "pure" ... right? ... FYI, you may want to actually look up the definition of pure. All of the ones I found seem to contradict your logic.

Not taking sides here, but I think it is hilarious that the link for the definition of 'pure' that you provide lists as a synonym 'unalloyed'. :lmao:
 
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