Canon camera and camera manual - good or not so good?

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  1. PJcam

    PJcam No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Just seen it Overread, thanks mate. At least until I find out why it won't search terms I can find them here.


     
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    PJcam No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    That works, thanks Destin :encouragement:
     
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  3. PJcam

    PJcam No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Thanks guys, sorry Canon.

    There are some really helpful guys on here. Thanks everyone. :icon_thumright:
     
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    ronlane What's next? Supporting Member

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    I know you are not enamored with the manual. However, I'll give you the same advice that I got back in 2012 when I got my first dslr and joined this site. Read the manual 3 times.

    Is it overkill and boring, yes. But, as mentioned above, it will let you learn about the tool. Which is a piece of the puzzle to getting good images. You will then also have a brief reference of the manual and will be able to reference it in the future should you need to as you are learning.

    It's part of the process of the hobby and everyone must go through it.

    Have fun with it, you won't know everything next week.
     
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    zombiesniper Furtographer Extraordinaire! Supporting Member

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    Completely agree with the above but I'll give a slightly different direction.

    Read the manual cover to cover with your camera in hand. Follow along with the manual and learn the menus. Don't skip things because "I'll never use that!"
    Do this 3 times. Don't go out and try to take pictures tonight. Read the manual.

    Then take the camera out and shoot with it. Keep the manual close. Having followed along with the manual 3 times you will have started to build up a bit of memory where things are.

    If you just read the manual without a camera in hand you will only learn terms and what they mean. Not how to apply them to your camera.
     
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  6. PJcam

    PJcam No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Everything you say is true ronlane, I have always had a saying, men don't read manuals (until they get stuck.)

    I realise the issues, I just got frustrated wanting to know the meaning of something I read in the camera menu but couldn't search the manual. CTRL+F I kick myself now, but in the frustrations I couldn't find search in Adobe Reader and right click, the obvious one, didn't give it me either.

    My frustrations I know are not unlike many other people have had...

    I have a new toy I want to play
    I am reading, a) the Canon camera manual and photography at the same time
    I am searching things as they are discussed and trying them out
    I am watching YouTube how to Videos, camera model use and photography.
    I am doing to many things and I have only had the camera 7 days today.

    And one more... I am loving every minute of it, yesterday I did my first Manual photo, indoors, with a glossy computer mouse with a ceiling light directly above. A lot of reflections and lights to baffle the manual shot, but I think it turned out quite well. The question is no doubt, PJ can you do it again, at this stage probably not.

    There is such a lot to learn, to me a combination of reading and playing helps gel what is learnt, better than reading a manual 3x first, good advice, I would probably learn faster, but we are all different, as we get older we do things the way we have done in life, my way is suitable for me not everyone, my way probably takes longer to learn, but eventually when I get a cracking photo I can say as the song goes. I did it my way. I just hope I live long enough :icon_camera: :icon_study: :icon_camera: :icon_study: :icon_camera:

    Thank you for your excellent advise :icon_thumright:
     
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  7. astroNikon

    astroNikon 'ya all Bananas I tell 'ya Supporting Member

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    Back when I bought my Nikon D7000 I found the Manual to be the same way as you.
    but even reading it didn't really give me the answers that I wanted.
    I found those answers in a book called "Mastering the Nikon D7000" ==> https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Ni...744&sr=1-1&keywords=mastering the nikon d7000

    For your T6/1300D they also make books similar to that such as ==> https://www.amazon.com/Canon-1300D-...&sr=1-4-fkmr0&keywords=mastering the canon T6

    Though I've never perused that book you'll find out "how" to use your camera effectively instead of just "how it works/settings" that the manual provides. The manual was very informative, after I actually learned how to use the camera with the above book I mentioned.

    There's also websites out there similar to the books though the book I found much more detailed and more rich information than most websites.
     
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  8. PJcam

    PJcam No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Hi astroNikon, many thanks for the details and links, I have noted the Canon book for consideration later.

    Meanwhile, I have watched two Youtube videos,
    Canon T3/T5/T6 & 1100D/1200D/1300D Overview Tutorial, 53mins, which was a good start for the camera and
    Exposure Explained Simply - Aperture, Shutter Speed, ISO, 13mins, also very good start.

    I am working slowly through the Canon D1300 Manual, but have just started to read the book..
    Understanding Exposure, Fourth Edition: How to Shoot Great Photographs with Any Camera by Bryan Peterson.

    This looks to be a fantastic book, even better as a Kindle edition as it was about half price. I have only just started and so far only read to the end of Chapter 1, what I also like is that even at this early stage he say... put the book down pick up your camera, do this and see what happens when you change this and that. I learn better with hands on (playing) as I learn.

    Lots of... :icon_camera: :icon_study: :icon_camera: :icon_study: :icon_camera:

    Many thanks for your suggestions (everyone), I am grateful for any/all suggestions, I am new to the hobby, 7 days old today. But I am also very keen to learn and get shooting. :icon_thumright:
     
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    beagle100 No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    reading the manual is a good idea, youtube videos can help
    The Bryan Peterson "Understanding Exposure" and other books will certainly help - and don't forget to check your local library on-line for photography books
    www.flickr.com/photos/mmirrorless
     
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    TCampbell Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    Camera manuals aren't meant to teach photography, they're just a technical reference on the features of the camera itself ... and that somewhat presumes you already knew why you'd want to use that feature.

    For example... somewhere in the manual it will tell you how to enable exposure compensation. But it wont tell you why you'd care about "exposure compensation". That's something you'd learn elsewhere and when the metered exposure is too high or too low (and your photos are too dark or too bright)... you'd realize that what you need is a little "exposure compensation" and the manual will tell you how to enable that for your camera model.

    Regardless of how many years a person has been doing photography... where you find a control might be different for any camera model. So even experienced photographers read the manual. But again... it's not to learn about photography, it's to learn what features the camera supports and how to access those features.

    There are some books that offer a middle-ground... they are written specifically to one camera model only... and they go into depth to explain the feature (a little more depth than just a simple reference explanation found in the manufacturers manual). These books also are not written to teach photography specifically... they're really just meant to go into more depth about the features.

    So for example, the David Busch's series has a book for most popular camera models. There's a "David Busch's Canon EOS Rebel T6/1300D Digital SLR Photography" book.
     
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  11. Winona

    Winona TPF Noob!

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    The "Dummies" book for my Canon has been extremely helpful. Larger print for one! I will be looking for some of the books listed above to move on to.
     
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