Canon or Nikon?

[Browncoat]

The OP is probably very overwhelmed by this thread at this point, and possibly quite confused.

If he's smart, he ran out screaming and took up competitive kite flying instead.

 

[Petraio Prime]

OK, that's it! Everyone of you go grab a magazine. No I don't care what magazine be it playboy or favorite family recipes, or anything else. Only requirement it must have pictures. Go get one. Im waiting, go on!

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K, you got one now? Awesome! Open it up and find a picture. There ya go good choice! Words are useless don't look at em. Fills your brain up with to much junk. Let it have a break. Okay, now back to the picture. Intersting shot, what camera did it? what lens? What do you mean you don't know noobs? Why you asking me if I do? Of course I don't. That's why I asked. If we can't tell,what difference does it make? I know it was a tough project so I'll be nice and just tell you this answer, and it's a simple one. It doesn't!

Point made! Please come back on next thread when i will be discussing.... lol you will just have to wait to find out

It's not any one photo itself, it's the making of it that is relevant. To make a wide variety of photos under different conditions requires various lenses and ancillary equipment. You buy a system. From a system standpoint, I like the Canon.

There are environments where it may not be best to take a digital camera; in such cases a film camera is nice to have.

 

[Polyphony]

The OP is probably very overwhelmed by this thread at this point, and possibly quite confused.

If he's smart, he ran out screaming and took up competitive kite flying instead.

You mean like this? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H999LqFQNWs[/ame]

 

[Idahophoto]

Oh yeah, I still love film in many ways. I hope it stays around and i really am enjoying the Canon system and ye some models are better suited for different things. But that a model design not a companey one really. Both Canon have cameras that can do really anything you need and they both offer cameras in a wide range of prices and have great lens choices. All I'm saying it either brand is fine and there is no bad choice. I judge photo's here and anyplace else for that matter on the photo themselves not on what system the photographer used. Sure I like to know especially if they used Canon and even more so it it was the 50D. But a great shot is a great shot, and a bad one is a bad one and it the person who does it not the camera.

 

[Petraio Prime]

Oh yeah, I still love film in many ways. I hope it stays around and i really am enjoying the Canon system and ye some models are better suited for different things. But that a model design not a companey one really. Both Canon have cameras that can do really anything you need and they both offer cameras in a wide range of prices and have great lens choices. All I'm saying it either brand is fine and there is no bad choice. I judge photo's here and anyplace else for that matter on the photo themselves not on what system the photographer used. Sure I like to know especially if they used Canon and even more so it it was the 50D. But a great shot is a great shot, and a bad one is a bad one and it the person who does it not the camera.

What irks me about Nikon is that they have Jerry-rigged everything from 1959:

Want a meter? Stick it on top:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/FphotomicBig.jpg

Not through the lens, but so what...

Oh, and when you mounted the lens you had to turn the aperture back and forth so the meter knew what the maximum aperture was. What a PIA!

Want TTL?

Ok, here ya go:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/FphotomicTBig.jpg

When you mounted the lens you still had to turn the aperture back and forth so the meter knew what the maximum aperture was.

All this was so that the Nikon could have interchangeable prisms and screens. Why? Nobody ever used them. They were held on with clips and springs, easily got damaged and could even fall off.

Interchangeable screens? Why? Leica decided that a fixed screen could be positioned with tighter tolerances.

First reflex from Leica:

http://photo.net/general-comments/attachment/5715111/598px-Leicaflex_IMG_0307.jpg

None of the crap and nonsense Nikon had. Elegant, simple, reliable.

Want TTL metering?

OK, Leicaflex SL:

http://www.mediajoy.com/en/cla_came/leicaflex_sl/leicaflex_sl.jpg

Who the hell would prefer the Nikon Photomic to that? Only insane people! I used these Nikons for a short time in the early 70s (before I got my own Leicaflex equipment) and grew to hate Nikon with a deep passion. I worked at the OSU yearbook and the yearbook equipment was Nikon. It has always impressed me as Jerry-rigged and stupid beyond belief.

I went to a to shoot a play. The Nikon Photomic's meter could not be seen in the dark. It depended on light coming from above to illuminate the needle. What if you're shooting in the dark? Duh! You call that engineering? I don't!

My Leicaflex SL2 has a battery-operated light inside the viewfinder that you can push to illuminate the needle under poor light conditions.

With the F2, Nikon persisted with the interchangeable finders that no-one used:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/F2photomicBig.jpg

Metering was still not part of the body!

Better, but still not as elegant as the Leicaflex SL2, introduced shortly thereafter (and my current camera):

http://www.wildlightphoto.com/leica/SL2C.jpg

Everything you don't need is a hindrance.

Nikon has persisted with the Jerry-rigged approach to this day. Autofocussing was treated the same way, as is digital now.

I can't believe anyone buys Nikon today. Or ever did.

My stance is not so much pro-Canon as it is anti-Nikon. I loathe Nikon. Their engineering and product development is horrid.

This is not just about this or that model...I have watched their products for many many years. I know how they approach things and how they think. When I see a D3 or whatever it's called, all I can think about is that stupid Photomic system and the time I couldn't meter in the theatre at a play.

If you buy Nikon, you're voting for inferior engineering and thinking.

 

[AlexL]

CHOOSE NIKON BECAUSE CANON IS BETTER.

TYPING IN CAPS MEANS I'M RIGHT EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

 

[Neil S.]

This post is going to start some $#!%....watch

PP I love you man, but this is the wrong thread for this lol.

 

[Derrel]

Petraio--Nikon--still making SLR cameras.... Leicaflex--discontinued due to lack of sales

The Leica R-mount is dead...the Nikon F-mount is still going strong...Nikon just overtook Canon as the top selling SLR brand in Japan...Leica discontinued the Leicaflex R-series, perhaps because they never could figure out how to build an autofocus camera in 20 years...

Your post is kind of funny, since Leica is so technologically behind the times that its R-system never could generate even a tiny user base,and in March of 2009 Leica announced that it was finally just ceasing production of the R-series manual focus 35mm SLR film camera. 10 years after Nikon premiered the D1, the first affordable digital SLR camera, Leica discontinued a manual focus, 35mm FILM SLR. Snicker...

Again, though, I want to make the case for the Rolleiflex brand of digital!!! Rolleiflex digital rules! Canon sucks, Nikon drools, Rollei RULES!

 

[shaunly]

So when did they clone Darrel and brainwash him to be a Canon fanatic?

Just when we get this thread back on track, VI has to come by and mess everything up again! Thanks a lot!

You miss my point. Nikon was not designed as an autofocus system. (It came out in 1959, that's 51 years ago!)

So well designed was the EOS-1 that making it into a digital camera was fairly straightforward. The Nikon F4 body was quickly abandoned and their current top digital camera looks more like a Canon.

Nikon has had numerous lens-aperture to body couplings over the years. Older ones have to be modified to use on later cameras, and some cannot be used at all. What good is it to retain the lens mount from 1959 if you can't use the lens anyway?

Nikon is nuts...

What happened in 1989 (or 1959, or whatever) has no relevance whatsoever on this discussion. Who cares that the EOS-1 was a better camera than the F4? By a show of hands, who here shoots an EOS-1 or F4? Anyone looking to buy one or get their hands on one?

The OP wanted to know whether he should get a D300 or a 7D. The D300 is NOTHING like the F4 (aside from the lens mount). The 7D is NOTHING like the EOS-1 (aside from the lens mount). If you can provide a discussion on the merits of the D300 vs. the 7D, then go for it. If you can't, let's stop living life 20 years ago, and focus on what's going on right now, and what is relevant to the original poster's question.

But it is relevant. Why? Because you're buying into a system. Suppose the OP want to get a film body at some point. (Maybe to shoot film and digital together.) EOS-1's (of various versions) are available at very moderate prices. On the other hand, you couldn't give me an F4. It's a monstrosity.

CANON EOS 1V W/ E1 BOOSTER GRIP EXCELLENT CONDITION - eBay (item 230503772886 end time Aug-01-10 20:13:02 PDT)

Canon EOS 1-N 35mm SLR Film Camera - NO RESERVE!!! - eBay (item 290457872516 end time Aug-01-10 18:30:25 PDT)

Please explain to me how the Canon AF is superior to Nikon. And please don't talk about 20 year old history, I'm talking about today's technology.

 

[Petraio Prime]

Petraio--Nikon--still making SLR cameras.... Leicaflex--discontinued due to lack of sales

The Leica R-mount is dead...the Nikon F-mount is still going strong...Nikon just overtook Canon as the top selling SLR brand in Japan...Leica discontinued the Leicaflex R-series, perhaps because they never could figure out how to build an autofocus camera in 20 years...

Your post is kind of funny, since Leica is so technologically behind the times that its R-system never could generate even a tiny user base,and in March of 2009 Leica announced that it was finally just ceasing production of the R-series manual focus 35mm SLR film camera. 10 years after Nikon premiered the D1, the first affordable digital SLR camera, Leica discontinued a manual focus, 35mm FILM SLR. Snicker...

Again, though I want to make the case for the Rolleiflex brand of digital!!! Rolleiflex digital rules!

It was not that they "never could figure out how to build an autofocus camera in 20 years". Leica did not think that auto-focusing was technically compatible with the demands for ultimate optical quality that their customer base demands, with the lenses in the R system. You'll note that all those Leica reflex lenses still fetch good prices; many are being adopted to use on digital boxes (though Leica told me they are going to make one). Leica realized that the market for 35mm and digital SLRs was changing in a way in which they could not compete. I don't need autofocussing or all that stuff.

There is some 'play' in any autofocus system that limits the ultimate quality you can get.

You neglected to mention the S2 by the way. The S2 is a killer camera system that outclasses anything Nikon or Canon makes. Again, by starting over from scratch they can leap-frog the competition. I lose nothing by staying with my SL2. I shoot film and have it scanned. If I have something worth printing I print it.

There was no easy way to make the R system autofocus so they didn't try. I agree with that decision. The M9 is still a manual focus system, I may note.

A manual-focusing film camera is not easy to sell in today's market, no matter how good the lenses are. And they are superb. It is a market-driven field.

 

[Browncoat]

I win.

 

[Shaneuk]

This argument will never end.

 

[Neil S.]

This post is going to start some $#!%....watch

PP I love you man, but this is the wrong thread for this lol.

OMG I can see into the future!!!

 

[Derrel]

I win.

Awesome contribution browncoat!!! THAT is one funny sign!

Oh, and Rollei Digital Rules!!!

 

[Neil S.]

Do none of you have lives?

Here you go Neil, as you couldn't find your copy. (unless I missed your post)

DIE!!! HORSE THAT IS ALREADY DEAD!!!