Canon or Nikon?

[shaunly]

Oh yeah, I still love film in many ways. I hope it stays around and i really am enjoying the Canon system and ye some models are better suited for different things. But that a model design not a companey one really. Both Canon have cameras that can do really anything you need and they both offer cameras in a wide range of prices and have great lens choices. All I'm saying it either brand is fine and there is no bad choice. I judge photo's here and anyplace else for that matter on the photo themselves not on what system the photographer used. Sure I like to know especially if they used Canon and even more so it it was the 50D. But a great shot is a great shot, and a bad one is a bad one and it the person who does it not the camera.

What irks me about Nikon is that they have Jerry-rigged everything from 1959:

Want a meter? Stick it on top:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/FphotomicBig.jpg

Not through the lens, but so what...

Oh, and when you mounted the lens you had to turn the aperture back and forth so the meter knew what the maximum aperture was. What a PIA!

Want TTL?

Ok, here ya go:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/FphotomicTBig.jpg

When you mounted the lens you still had to turn the aperture back and forth so the meter knew what the maximum aperture was.

All this was so that the Nikon could have interchangeable prisms and screens. Why? Nobody ever used them. They were held on with clips and springs, easily got damaged and could even fall off.

Interchangeable screens? Why? Leica decided that a fixed screen could be positioned with tighter tolerances.

First reflex from Leica:

http://photo.net/general-comments/attachment/5715111/598px-Leicaflex_IMG_0307.jpg

None of the crap and nonsense Nikon had. Elegant, simple, reliable.

Want TTL metering?

OK, Leicaflex SL:

http://www.mediajoy.com/en/cla_came/leicaflex_sl/leicaflex_sl.jpg

Who the hell would prefer the Nikon Photomic to that? Only insane people! I used these Nikons for a short time in the early 70s (before I got my own Leicaflex equipment) and grew to hate Nikon with a deep passion. I worked at the OSU yearbook and the yearbook equipment was Nikon. It has always impressed me as Jerry-rigged and stupid beyond belief.

I went to a to shoot a play. The Nikon Photomic's meter could not be seen in the dark. It depended on light coming from above to illuminate the needle. What if you're shooting in the dark? Duh! You call that engineering? I don't!

My Leicaflex SL2 has a battery-operated light inside the viewfinder that you can push to illuminate the needle under poor light conditions.

With the F2, Nikon persisted with the interchangeable finders that no-one used:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/F2photomicBig.jpg

Metering was still not part of the body!

Better, but still not as elegant as the Leicaflex SL2, introduced shortly thereafter (and my current camera):

http://www.wildlightphoto.com/leica/SL2C.jpg

Everything you don't need is a hindrance.

Nikon has persisted with the Jerry-rigged approach to this day. Autofocussing was treated the same way, as is digital now.

I can't believe anyone buys Nikon today. Or ever did.

My stance is not so much pro-Canon as it is anti-Nikon. I loathe Nikon. Their engineering and product development is horrid.

This is not just about this or that model...I have watched their products for many many years. I know how they approach things and how they think. When I see a D3 or whatever it's called, all I can think about is that stupid Photomic system and the time I couldn't meter in the theatre at a play.

If you buy Nikon, you're voting for inferior engineering and thinking.

seriously bro, you need to let grudges go. You seem to have this hatred against nikon based on your experience in the 70s!!! Not sure how old you are, but when people get old, it's hard for them to catch up to modern technology. My father has been a photographer since the Vietnam War! It hard for him to take in all these modern DSLR. He still loves his films. So seriously.... let it go and open your eyes. =)

 

[Petraio Prime]

Oh yeah, I still love film in many ways. I hope it stays around and i really am enjoying the Canon system and ye some models are better suited for different things. But that a model design not a companey one really. Both Canon have cameras that can do really anything you need and they both offer cameras in a wide range of prices and have great lens choices. All I'm saying it either brand is fine and there is no bad choice. I judge photo's here and anyplace else for that matter on the photo themselves not on what system the photographer used. Sure I like to know especially if they used Canon and even more so it it was the 50D. But a great shot is a great shot, and a bad one is a bad one and it the person who does it not the camera.

What irks me about Nikon is that they have Jerry-rigged everything from 1959:

Want a meter? Stick it on top:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/FphotomicBig.jpg

Not through the lens, but so what...

Oh, and when you mounted the lens you had to turn the aperture back and forth so the meter knew what the maximum aperture was. What a PIA!

Want TTL?

Ok, here ya go:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/FphotomicTBig.jpg

When you mounted the lens you still had to turn the aperture back and forth so the meter knew what the maximum aperture was.

All this was so that the Nikon could have interchangeable prisms and screens. Why? Nobody ever used them. They were held on with clips and springs, easily got damaged and could even fall off.

Interchangeable screens? Why? Leica decided that a fixed screen could be positioned with tighter tolerances.

First reflex from Leica:

http://photo.net/general-comments/attachment/5715111/598px-Leicaflex_IMG_0307.jpg

None of the crap and nonsense Nikon had. Elegant, simple, reliable.

Want TTL metering?

OK, Leicaflex SL:

http://www.mediajoy.com/en/cla_came/leicaflex_sl/leicaflex_sl.jpg

Who the hell would prefer the Nikon Photomic to that? Only insane people! I used these Nikons for a short time in the early 70s (before I got my own Leicaflex equipment) and grew to hate Nikon with a deep passion. I worked at the OSU yearbook and the yearbook equipment was Nikon. It has always impressed me as Jerry-rigged and stupid beyond belief.

I went to a to shoot a play. The Nikon Photomic's meter could not be seen in the dark. It depended on light coming from above to illuminate the needle. What if you're shooting in the dark? Duh! You call that engineering? I don't!

My Leicaflex SL2 has a battery-operated light inside the viewfinder that you can push to illuminate the needle under poor light conditions.

With the F2, Nikon persisted with the interchangeable finders that no-one used:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/F2photomicBig.jpg

Metering was still not part of the body!

Better, but still not as elegant as the Leicaflex SL2, introduced shortly thereafter (and my current camera):

http://www.wildlightphoto.com/leica/SL2C.jpg

Everything you don't need is a hindrance.

Nikon has persisted with the Jerry-rigged approach to this day. Autofocussing was treated the same way, as is digital now.

I can't believe anyone buys Nikon today. Or ever did.

My stance is not so much pro-Canon as it is anti-Nikon. I loathe Nikon. Their engineering and product development is horrid.

This is not just about this or that model...I have watched their products for many many years. I know how they approach things and how they think. When I see a D3 or whatever it's called, all I can think about is that stupid Photomic system and the time I couldn't meter in the theatre at a play.

If you buy Nikon, you're voting for inferior engineering and thinking.

seriously bro, you need to let grudges go. You seem to have this hatred against nikon based on your experience in the 70s!!! Not sure how old you are, but when people get old, it's hard for them to catch up to modern technology. My father has been a photographer since the Vietnam War! It hard for him to take in all these modern DSLR. He still loves his films. So seriously.... let it go and open your eyes. =)

The point is, it hasn't changed. I have been following the developments in cameras, and I see the same pattern. I think Canon was smart to start over from scratch. It left them in a stronger position technically.

If Leica did not exist I would choose Canon, is all I'm saying. Nikon just always seems to have to "make do". Everything seems an afterthought.

 

[Neil S.]

Although I want this thread to die, I will say this.

PP, I don't think you are giving Nikon the credit they deserve.

I recommend you look up the D3x, and read some reviews. It is such a nice camera, and without a doubt the best full-frame DSLR (Canon and Nikon at least) in the world at the moment.

I would probably trade my 7D and all my Canon lenses for just the D3x and one really good Nikon zoom right now.

Maybe in the future this won't be the case though, Canon can always make a comeback in the full-frame market.

Canon holds the crown for best crop camera atm, and they have the best DSLR video.

Canon also has their own strengths vs. Nikon. They have the fastest lenses between the two companies, and they also have the best value and selection for telephoto lenses.

As Derrel said before, Canon doesn't have as good of a metering system compared to Nikon. I agree with him on this.

Nikon is not without their own share of weaknesses as well.

All I am saying is that they both make great cameras, and lenses. You can't go wrong with either right now.

Can we please all just leave it at that?

/ENDTHREAD

 

[Idahophoto]

What irks me about Nikon is that they have Jerry-rigged everything from 1959:

Want a meter? Stick it on top:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/FphotomicBig.jpg

Not through the lens, but so what...

Oh, and when you mounted the lens you had to turn the aperture back and forth so the meter knew what the maximum aperture was. What a PIA!

Want TTL?

Ok, here ya go:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/FphotomicTBig.jpg

When you mounted the lens you still had to turn the aperture back and forth so the meter knew what the maximum aperture was.

All this was so that the Nikon could have interchangeable prisms and screens. Why? Nobody ever used them. They were held on with clips and springs, easily got damaged and could even fall off.

Interchangeable screens? Why? Leica decided that a fixed screen could be positioned with tighter tolerances.

First reflex from Leica:

http://photo.net/general-comments/attachment/5715111/598px-Leicaflex_IMG_0307.jpg

None of the crap and nonsense Nikon had. Elegant, simple, reliable.

Want TTL metering?

OK, Leicaflex SL:

http://www.mediajoy.com/en/cla_came/leicaflex_sl/leicaflex_sl.jpg

Who the hell would prefer the Nikon Photomic to that? Only insane people! I used these Nikons for a short time in the early 70s (before I got my own Leicaflex equipment) and grew to hate Nikon with a deep passion. I worked at the OSU yearbook and the yearbook equipment was Nikon. It has always impressed me as Jerry-rigged and stupid beyond belief.

I went to a to shoot a play. The Nikon Photomic's meter could not be seen in the dark. It depended on light coming from above to illuminate the needle. What if you're shooting in the dark? Duh! You call that engineering? I don't!

My Leicaflex SL2 has a battery-operated light inside the viewfinder that you can push to illuminate the needle under poor light conditions.

With the F2, Nikon persisted with the interchangeable finders that no-one used:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/htmls/models/images/F2photomicBig.jpg

Metering was still not part of the body!

Better, but still not as elegant as the Leicaflex SL2, introduced shortly thereafter (and my current camera):

http://www.wildlightphoto.com/leica/SL2C.jpg

Everything you don't need is a hindrance.

Nikon has persisted with the Jerry-rigged approach to this day. Autofocussing was treated the same way, as is digital now.

I can't believe anyone buys Nikon today. Or ever did.

My stance is not so much pro-Canon as it is anti-Nikon. I loathe Nikon. Their engineering and product development is horrid.

This is not just about this or that model...I have watched their products for many many years. I know how they approach things and how they think. When I see a D3 or whatever it's called, all I can think about is that stupid Photomic system and the time I couldn't meter in the theatre at a play.

If you buy Nikon, you're voting for inferior engineering and thinking.

seriously bro, you need to let grudges go. You seem to have this hatred against nikon based on your experience in the 70s!!! Not sure how old you are, but when people get old, it's hard for them to catch up to modern technology. My father has been a photographer since the Vietnam War! It hard for him to take in all these modern DSLR. He still loves his films. So seriously.... let it go and open your eyes. =)

The point is, it hasn't changed. I have been following the developments in cameras, and I see the same pattern. I think Canon was smart to start over from scratch. It left them in a stronger position technically.

Ah man 3rd time i said i would rot comment on anything here and yet once again I find myself doing just that.

I personally like how Nikon has done things. You say jerry rigged yet it has worked extrememly well and make getting to things so much easier than with Canon that I have to stop what I'm doing and look for the right button, then get to the right menu to finally find what I want. Its a crazy set up! I have yet to see Canon match Nikon on metering you look hands down and most people will agree. Your obviously extremely biased and should not be taken seriously! Both Nikon and Canons have there faults and both have there way of doing things I may personally hate a set up but another might like it. If you don't like Nikon dont buy em, but don't think other people will feel the same way. I hate Sony's SLR's why a person would think of getting one is a mystery to me, but some do. It might fit there needs. Not everyone wants and needs will fit with yours. It does not make one better than the other per say. Canon has done some very good things that I like I could list them, but damn, die thread die! or at least make a section just for needless rants with no value.

 

[Petraio Prime]

seriously bro, you need to let grudges go. You seem to have this hatred against nikon based on your experience in the 70s!!! Not sure how old you are, but when people get old, it's hard for them to catch up to modern technology. My father has been a photographer since the Vietnam War! It hard for him to take in all these modern DSLR. He still loves his films. So seriously.... let it go and open your eyes. =)

The point is, it hasn't changed. I have been following the developments in cameras, and I see the same pattern. I think Canon was smart to start over from scratch. It left them in a stronger position technically.

Ah man 3rd time i said i would rot comment on anything here and yet once again I find myself doing just that.

I personally like how Nikon has done things. You say jerry rigged yet it has worked extrememly well and make getting to things so much easier than with Canon that I have to stop what I'm doing and look for the right button, then get to the right menu to finally find what I want. Its a crazy set up! I have yet to see Canon match Nikon on metering you look hands down and most people will agree. Your obviously extremely biased and should not be taken seriously! Both Nikon and Canons have there faults and both have there way of doing things I may personally hate a set up but another might like it. If you don't like Nikon dont buy em, but don't think other people will feel the same way. I hate Sony's SLR's why a person would think of getting one is a mystery to me, but some do. It might fit there needs. Not everyone wants and needs will fit with yours. It does not make one better than the other per say. Canon has done some very good things that I like I could list them, but damn, die thread die! or at least make a section just for needless rants with no value.

Well I'm not sure what you mean by the difficult menu buttons. I thought you could program them.

If you look through the brief history of Nikon cameras that I put up, you'll see what I am talking about, and what I mean by "Jerry-rigged". Again, I am not biased. I don't use either Canon or Nikon. I use Leicaflex SL2.

 

[kundalini]

I poop rainbows!

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[shaunly]

The point is, it hasn't changed. I have been following the developments in cameras, and I see the same pattern. I think Canon was smart to start over from scratch. It left them in a stronger position technically.

Ah man 3rd time i said i would rot comment on anything here and yet once again I find myself doing just that.

I personally like how Nikon has done things. You say jerry rigged yet it has worked extrememly well and make getting to things so much easier than with Canon that I have to stop what I'm doing and look for the right button, then get to the right menu to finally find what I want. Its a crazy set up! I have yet to see Canon match Nikon on metering you look hands down and most people will agree. Your obviously extremely biased and should not be taken seriously! Both Nikon and Canons have there faults and both have there way of doing things I may personally hate a set up but another might like it. If you don't like Nikon dont buy em, but don't think other people will feel the same way. I hate Sony's SLR's why a person would think of getting one is a mystery to me, but some do. It might fit there needs. Not everyone wants and needs will fit with yours. It does not make one better than the other per say. Canon has done some very good things that I like I could list them, but damn, die thread die! or at least make a section just for needless rants with no value.

Well I'm not sure what you mean by the difficult menu buttons. I thought you could program them.

If you look through the brief history of Nikon cameras that I put up, you'll see what I am talking about, and what I mean by "Jerry-rigged". Again, I am not biased. I don't use either Canon or Nikon. I use Leicaflex SL2.

That's what I'm talking about right there! Let me ask you something, do you have any experience with the current Canon and Nikon camera line up? You don't even know what he's talking about when he mentioned the buttons layout! Canon's button layout are a pain in the ass! I have yet to seen you explain anything that's up to date. Everything you've talk about has been a trip to memory lane. So let me ask you AGAIN, can you please explain to me how Canon AF is superior to Nikon in their CURRENT lineup of cameras.

 

[shaunly]

I poop rainbows!

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[Petraio Prime]

Ah man 3rd time i said i would rot comment on anything here and yet once again I find myself doing just that.

I personally like how Nikon has done things. You say jerry rigged yet it has worked extrememly well and make getting to things so much easier than with Canon that I have to stop what I'm doing and look for the right button, then get to the right menu to finally find what I want. Its a crazy set up! I have yet to see Canon match Nikon on metering you look hands down and most people will agree. Your obviously extremely biased and should not be taken seriously! Both Nikon and Canons have there faults and both have there way of doing things I may personally hate a set up but another might like it. If you don't like Nikon dont buy em, but don't think other people will feel the same way. I hate Sony's SLR's why a person would think of getting one is a mystery to me, but some do. It might fit there needs. Not everyone wants and needs will fit with yours. It does not make one better than the other per say. Canon has done some very good things that I like I could list them, but damn, die thread die! or at least make a section just for needless rants with no value.

Well I'm not sure what you mean by the difficult menu buttons. I thought you could program them.

If you look through the brief history of Nikon cameras that I put up, you'll see what I am talking about, and what I mean by "Jerry-rigged". Again, I am not biased. I don't use either Canon or Nikon. I use Leicaflex SL2.

That's what I'm talking about right there! Let me ask you something, do you have any experience with the current Canon and Nikon camera line up? You don't even know what he's talking about when he mentioned the buttons layout! Canon's button layout are a pain in the ass! I have yet to seen you explain anything that's up to date. Everything you've talk about has been a trip to memory lane. So let me ask you AGAIN, can you please explain to me how Canon AF is superior to Nikon in their CURRENT lineup of cameras.

Who needs autofocus?

To answer your question, I would defer to this article:

Nikon D3 / D300 Vs. Canon

All I'm saying is that Nikon has a history of jerry-rigging...and they can't escape from it.

 

[bigboi3]

EPIC thread in my book.:thumbup:

 

[Neil S.]

That article is praising Nikon....

It is also over 2 years old.

 

[OrionsByte]

EPIC thread in my book.:thumbup:

Your book must be a horror novel.

 

[Petraio Prime]

That article is praising Nikon....

It is also over 2 years old.

I didn't read it all the way through, but I don't think it's 'praising' either line. It seems to be an objective assessment.

My personal opinion is that I was always amazed when people bought a Nikon Ftn, instead of Alpa or Leica, when they could afford anything they wanted (you could see their Mercedes in the parking lot, and the Rolexes on their wrists) and the Nikon was harder to deal with (the back slid completely off, it was not hinged). People wanted to be like the 'pros'.

 

[bigboi3]

EPIC thread in my book.:thumbup:

Your book must be a horror novel.

:lmao:

 

[Neil S.]

I did read most of it.

Its basically saying that although the reviewer was a long time Canon user, he was surprised by these 2 Nikon offerings.

He also said that if Nikon was to produce a D3 body around 24 megapixels and good ISO performance, it would probably beat out the Canon 1 series.

Thats exactly what happened too lol.

Maybe he can see the future....