Controversial?

[chito beach]

Derrel, that became exactly my viewpoint, i thought the whole concept was odd and that was exactly what they are saying - but if thats true why is my reply from chito so harsh?

Well, chito feels that, "Doing work like this is a great learning tool and you are a student," so...there might be a clue in there as to how he feels about people who are students. Lots of employers are using students, undergrads and grad students, as basically free labor. Unpaid internships that are really "jobs without pay", working without pay or benefits so that paid workers need no be hired, searching for free labor just to be a cheapskate,etc,etc. Maybe you ought to ask chito why his reply is so harsh. Maybe see if you could book a week's free lodging in his resorts several $150 per night guest lodges...come up with a qualifier as to whom or what you "are", like, "I am a British citizen, so I'd like to rent a cottage for $25 per night...it would look good on your resume as a cultural ambassador."

We do give away nights some times for special circumstances and discount for all armed forces and meet Government rates for those who need a place to stay while working out on the West end of the Peninsula.

We also give weekend packages away for charity.

Yes we have picked up lots of rental nights due to the above mentioned, it is excellent advertising dollar value!

 

[reznap]

I would have done it just for the experience. Does seem a bit cheesy on MET's part though.

 

[chito beach]

Derrel, that became exactly my viewpoint, i thought the whole concept was odd and that was exactly what they are saying - but if thats true why is my reply from chito so harsh?

Giving away a few prints will not hurt you one iota, will it help you probably not. does it help others probably so.

To me it just shows your character as a human being.

Some things you do because they are the right thing to do.

True point, but even with budget cuts the MET is not an underfunded orphanage or animal shelter.

Does that make it wrong for you to do the right thing?

The MET sponsers many projects like this and I dont think participating would hurt your resume one bit.

 

[ChevyBaby]

tirediron, again that was my theory, if someone murders someone, rapes someone, burgles someone's house etc.... i just don't think they deserve to spend the time in their cell happy - it's bad enough they're having TVs. Don't get it.

Chito, can i stay for free then, as Derrel says?

 

[Derrel]

Some things you do because they are the right thing to do...such as paying your own way and not looking for free handouts when you have a budget totaling millions of pounds sterling...trying to goad people into doing charity work by insulting their character or their beliefs is pretty despicable behavior. But then, it shows one's character as a human being...

 

[reznap]

It's getting hot in here huh?

 

[Derrel]

We do give away nights some times for special circumstances and discount for all armed forces and meet Government rates for those who need a place to stay while working out on the West end of the Peninsula.

We also give weekend packages away for charity.

Yes we have picked up lots of rental nights due to the above mentioned, it is excellent advertising dollar value!

Do you have a free rate for rapists, muggers, drug dealers, pimps,car thieves, and child abusers? I'm sure they'd like a lovely resort cabin for free. I laughed at you trying to tell somebody what "the right thing to do is".

Jails are not waiting rooms or hotel lobbies...they're fricking JAILS. What is next chito? Should the MET hit up some furniture stores for some lovely matching sofa and ottoman sets? Maybe ask for some really nice linens from Bed Bath and Beyond's UK counterpart? perhaps lay in a stock of delicious California white zinfandel for those prison meals? Maybe get Gordon Ramsey's TOp Chef people to provide a months worth of delicious, FREE holiday meals for the Christmas season? Should the MET put the touch on a custom builder to re-design some jail cells into lovely suites for the prisoners?
I mean, "it's the right thing to do."

 

[tirediron]

Some things you do because they are the right thing to do...such as paying your own way and not looking for free handouts when you have a budget totaling millions of pounds sterling...trying to goad people into doing charity work by insulting their character or their beliefs is pretty despicable behavior. But then, it shows one's character as a human being...

I think you may be missing the point here Derrel. I suspect that this is a local initiative which is being done out an [IMO mis-guided] attempt to improve conditions in the prison, and as such has not been sanctioned by higher-authority. Therefore, in order to realize the project, the only option they have is to solicit charitable donations from the public.

Is it right? No, however it is very common.

 

[Overread35]

Giving away a few prints will not hurt you one iota, will it help you probably not. does it help others probably so.

To me it just shows your character as a human being.

Some things you do because they are the right thing to do.

True point, but even with budget cuts the MET is not an underfunded orphanage or animal shelter.

Does that make it wrong for you to do the right thing?

The MET sponsers many projects like this and I dont think participating would hurt your resume one bit.

But how is giving free art to the MET - which is then hidden away in the prison doing "the right thing"? If anything artistic should be shown in there it should be the prisoners own work as part of a skills training scheme based on reconditioning them/preparing them to return to society with the aim that skills training allows them to enter the job market (rather than turning out many who have entered the criminal world because they lack any qualifications to gain a job).

 

[Light Artisan]

"Controversial?"

I think that's been answered now.

 

[tirediron]

Do you have a free rate for rapists, muggers, drug dealers, pimps,car thieves, and child abusers? I'm sure they'd like a lovely resort cabin for free. I laughed at you trying to tell somebody what "the right thing to do is".

Jails are not waiting rooms or hotel lobbies...they're fricking JAILS. What is next chito? Should the MET hit up some furniture stores for some lovely matching sofa and ottoman sets? Maybe ask for some really nice linens from Bed Bath and Beyond's UK counterpart? perhaps lay in a stock of delicious California white zinfandel for those prison meals? Maybe get Gordon Ramsey's TOp Chef people to provide a months worth of delicious, FREE holiday meals for the Christmas season? Should the MET put the touch on a custom builder to re-design some jail cells into lovely suites for the prisoners?
I mean, "it's the right thing to do."

Dude, LIGHTEN UP!!!! I think we get your point, and I can understand being passionate about it, BUT...

 

[Chamelion 6]

Some things you do because they are the right thing to do...such as paying your own way and not looking for free handouts when you have a budget totaling millions of pounds sterling...trying to goad people into doing charity work by insulting their character or their beliefs is pretty despicable behavior. But then, it shows one's character as a human being...

Just to play devil's advocate, I presume their budget is at the tax payer's expence and blowing money for art is probably not going to go over really well. I think their motives in asking were nobel...

Just like turning it down doesn't say anything about anyone's character. Turning down a single charity does not make a person uncharitable. I don't see any moral imperative in giving to this one charity.

 

[tirediron]

"Controversial?"

I think that's been answered now.

:lmao::lmao::lmao: D'ya think?

 

[vtf]

In regards to being placed in the jail (prison). Is this actually the locations that the prisoners are held or could it be the administration area for the officers, guards, warden or civilian workers?

 

[Derrel]

Joe Arpaio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sheriff Joe Arpaio - Google Search

Tents in the hot Arizona sun! Pink underwear! 3 squares and no perks...


versus


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/us/29jail.html?_r=1&em&ex=1178078400&en=4d2f7355559ae210&ei=5087

An $82 per day pay-to-stay JAIL in California!!!