Controversial?

[c.cloudwalker]

Not sure what the MET police is but I am sure they are funded to fight crime not to buy art. And if they were to buy art with the funds, you'd probably yell "bloody murder" because they are funded with your tax money. I know I would.

So, I'm with chito on that one. It may not do much for you financially but you actually never know.

Years ago, my wife worked for a school for kids who couldn't function in the "normal" school system. I went there once a semester to talk to the kids about my work and theirs. Believe me it was worth the little bit of time and income loss. Right now I'm working with one of my assistant in starting a photo club in one of the "Banlieues." It may very well pay off in free publicity... the same way that the school did when we set up a show of the students' work.

But even if it didn't/doesn't, not everything in life needs to be about money.

 

[chito beach]

Not sure what the MET police is but I am sure they are funded to fight crime not to buy art. And if they were to buy art with the funds, you'd probably yell "bloody murder" because they are funded with your tax money. I know I would.

So, I'm with chito on that one. It may not do much for you financially but you actually never know.

Years ago, my wife worked for a school for kids who couldn't function in the "normal" school system. I went there once a semester to talk to the kids about my work and theirs. Believe me it was worth the little bit of time and income loss. Right now I'm working with one of my assistant in starting a photo club in one of the "Banlieues." It may very well pay off in free publicity... the same way that the school did when we set up a show of the students' work.

But even if it didn't/doesn't, not everything in life needs to be about money.

MET is the Metropolitan Museum of Art. At least that is who commissioned the students.

The MET's income from last year

Income Statement (FYE 06/2009)

Revenue Primary Revenue $175,057,041 Other Revenue $143,997,613 Total Revenue $319,054,654 Expenses Program Expenses $296,700,720 Administrative Expenses $45,388,550 Fundraising Expenses $9,489,974 Total Functional Expenses $351,579,244 Payments to Affiliates $0 Excess (or Deficit) for the year $-32,524,590



They really are not rolling in the dough.

The MET spends millions each year to stand up for artists and promote all sorts of art programs around the country.

 

[white]

My class got commissioned* by the MET police to create some work of the borough to put inside their jail to 'brighten it up'.

I didn't turn up to the pitch because I don't fancy my work being put up inside a prison to be looked at by criminals - what would i get out of that?

Oh, I dunno: exposure, maybe. Will your name be accompanying your photo? You never say.

Getting your name out there and getting your art into the real world is important if you wish to do exhibitions, etc.

Yes, I think you are being rather douchy about it.

 

[ChevyBaby]

To me, it wasn't about money, that aspect just added to insult (The MET is London's police force)

I've worked with disabled adults, my dad ran a place for them and i done alot of work for them for free. I'm all for charity, just not all for giving my work to a prison. I would feel infuriated knowing my tax money has been used to make a rapist smile rather than putting another rapist in the can.

 

[Ron Evers]

Now I wonder if Conman Black was in one of those pay for privilege jails in the US. You know, the Queens hand picked Lord.

 

[c.cloudwalker]

If anything artistic should be shown in there it should be the prisoners own work as part of a skills training scheme based on reconditioning them/preparing them to return to society with the aim that skills training allows them to enter the job market (rather than turning out many who have entered the criminal world because they lack any qualifications to gain a job).

But seeing decent art may be the motivation to enter such a program if there is one. Art is extremely important to having the right balance intellectually as can be seen by the results obtained by kids in art high schools in the US compared to those in regular schools.

But would they get motivated or interested by seeing their own work of probably low quality if they even think of creating anything?

 

[tirediron]

Now I wonder if Conman Black was in one of those pay for privilege jails in the US. You know, the Queens hand picked Lord.

 

[ChevyBaby]

MET is the Metropolitan Museum of Art. At least that is who commissioned the students.

The MET's income from last year

Income Statement (FYE 06/2009)

Revenue Primary Revenue $175,057,041 Other Revenue $143,997,613 Total Revenue $319,054,654 Expenses Program Expenses $296,700,720 Administrative Expenses $45,388,550 Fundraising Expenses $9,489,974 Total Functional Expenses $351,579,244 Payments to Affiliates $0 Excess (or Deficit) for the year $-32,524,590



They really are not rolling in the dough.

The MET spends millions each year to stand up for artists and promote all sorts of art programs around the country.

DUDE youve totally got the wrong end of the stick, the MET in England is the METROPOLITAN POLICE. Nothin to do with art.. just the police....

 

[c.cloudwalker]

MET is the Metropolitan Museum of Art. At least that is who commissioned the students.

The MET's income from last year

Income Statement (FYE 06/2009)

Revenue Primary Revenue $175,057,041 Other Revenue $143,997,613 Total Revenue $319,054,654 Expenses Program Expenses $296,700,720 Administrative Expenses $45,388,550 Fundraising Expenses $9,489,974 Total Functional Expenses $351,579,244 Payments to Affiliates $0 Excess (or Deficit) for the year $-32,524,590



They really are not rolling in the dough.

The MET spends millions each year to stand up for artists and promote all sorts of art programs around the country.

:lmao:

That did not sound quite right. At least, I'd never heard of a museum with a jail

So, are you changing your mind now that you know what it really is?

 

[Overread35]

If anything artistic should be shown in there it should be the prisoners own work as part of a skills training scheme based on reconditioning them/preparing them to return to society with the aim that skills training allows them to enter the job market (rather than turning out many who have entered the criminal world because they lack any qualifications to gain a job).

But seeing decent art may be the motivation to enter such a program if there is one.

Careful that takes the base line assumption that the prisoners can't make their own good art. Further how is it inspiring to see uni level art from graduate students in a prison - if anything most of the prisoners might be resenting the graduate students because uni is something they could never afford not even entertain the idea of taking part in - in a way it could be rather rubbing salt in the wound of any lurking great artists in the prison

 

[chito beach]

I was wrong about who the MET was..........sorry about that. IT was the only MET I knew about......MY bad, but I will still stand my my comments that it would not hurt you in any way shape or form to. In the end you do what you think is right.

i understand you not wishing to show your work in a prison.

But we also read and hear on how one small thing has changed the direction of that criminal looking for a chance.

I guess Im the guy who is always looking for the good that something can do rather than assuming the worst.

 

[ChevyBaby]

so now you know who the MET are, you still think i'm a terrible person for not wanting to give my work away, to a prison, for free where i personally feel it will get destroyed by raging inmates who wish they were free because one murder wasn't satisfying enough for them.

 

[ChevyBaby]

i mean i was lookin for opinions but your first post reduced me to tears and im not a bad person, all i ever do is give!

 

[vtf]

In regards to being placed in the jail (prison). Is this actually the locations that the prisoners are held or could it be the administration area for the officers, guards, warden or civilian workers?

?????

 

[c.cloudwalker]

Careful that takes the base line assumption that the prisoners can't make their own good art. Further how is it inspiring to see uni level art from graduate students in a prison - if anything most of the prisoners might be resenting the graduate students because uni is something they could never afford not even entertain the idea of taking part in - in a way it could be rather rubbing salt in the wound of any lurking great artists in the prison

I do agree with the quality of student work maybe not being any better than that of the prisoners but I didn't want to say it :lmao:

There are artists in jail and some very good ones too but they are a very small minority so you are denying the chance to most prisoners to see and get inspired by art for the sake of a very few...