Critique or encouragement?

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  1. Dew

    Dew TPF Noob!

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    there are a million ways to take a photo of subject matter ... i think no one can trully understand the intention of the artist (or photograher/hobbyist) ... if the photo is trully artistically and technically lacking .. then it must be mentioned .... if "we" throw in our personal choices than we're molding this individual to swallow our style and their not allowed to bloom ... ya know what im saying?

    as far as downloading folks photos .. i think its disrespectful ... the person has everything "wrong" in your eyes ... u take their "prized possession" and do it better than them (better in your eyes) ... u repost it ... i think its insensative .. if they feel passionate about their photos as i do ... its like painting over a painter's art :?

    i agree with most here ... sometimes i just dont bother critiqueing unless i see the photographer has a lot of potential and their ready to move forward to the next level ... i'm one of those that believe .. either u have it or u dont ...

    there are a lot of great photographers here, unfortunatly, there are not a lot here who are able to critique their work :D


     
  2. voodoocat

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    Are you talking about cropping an image? Cause I mentioned downloading an image for two purposes. Say I download someones image that has a magenta color cast on it and fix the white balance and tell them how I achieved it. There is nothing disrespectful about it. It's not saying that everything is "wrong" in my eyes. It says to them, this is a good image, with a small amount of tweaking it can be an excellent image.
     
  3. G3

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    There's a simple solution to the rework/repost problem. Simply post a reply and ask the person if they would like for members to try PS remedies and post them BEFORE you do it. Then everyone will know from that point forward if it's OK.

    As far as simply critiqueing photos, the way I look at that is if the person posts a photo in here, there are soliciting critique. As long as the critique isn't rude or offensive, they have no complaints. If they don't want their work critiqued, then they need ot post in in a Gallery forum. Critique is not always positive, nor is it always negative. It SHOULD always be constructive, though.
     
  4. markc

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    But who determines what is artistically and technically lacking? Isn't that a personaly choice? A picture may not be in focus, but that can be an artistic choice, even if it isn't usually considered technically correct. Who really has the final word on what is "correct"? I personally see everything as being a personal choice, and the more we are exposed to, the more choices we have at our disposal to make.

    I don't see a critique as a way of showing someone how it should be done. There's no such thing. It's just a way of explaining how we ourselves would have done it. Sure, we can have an undue influence on someone, but I think that person should be free to mimic as a way of exploration. I think this happens a lot in all mediums. Eventually, they will start to find their own style as they explore more and more as they start getting comfortable with all the choices that need to be made.
     
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    Agreed. It's not like painting over a painter's art, because that's a destructive act. The original is now gone and "destroyed". This would be more akin to making a sketch of the artwork to show a different composition (or whatever). If a painting student makes a copy of the Mona Lisa, but makes a few changes to see what that would look like, is that disrespecting Leonardo? I would say not. It a sign of respect that the image is worth the time and effort one puts into discussing it. It's just that the "discussion" is in a visual, not verbal, form.
     
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    that would be a physical, still self-made copy of a painting to learn
    or imitate the style. Which I think is a good approach. If you want
    a picture similar to mine -take your camera.

    back on topic:
    The downside of the internet is that it's too easy to download a
    picture and alter it. If a person would get to see the actual print,
    they would need to critique verbally - and that's the right thing to
    do IMHO...
     
  7. Dew

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    for the record, i will never give permission to "re-work" my photos ... ever :lol:

    revising and reposting is rude ... if u ask the photographer and pm them and they are ok with it .. fine ...
     
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    There are some people, especially those just learning photography and Photoshop that actually appreciate someone downloading their photo, making adjustments and posting the results along with the steps used to achieve those results. However, not everyone does. The only way to know for sure is to ask.
     
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    personally, i look for hard critique of my work. i sometimes worry that an image i have posted did not get all the "negative" (i think of this as "constructive") comments it could have because people fear offending me, as the poster. this is not to say i am a masochist; i simply desire to become better, and the best way to do that, for me, is to hear the no-holds-barred truth. when i first started posting pics, i may not have been so desirous of this kind of feedback, simply because i needed to feel more confidence in order to take more risk, something necessary for growth. now i want my pics to be torn asunder, poked, prodded, sliced, diced, and pureed. (maybe i can borrow markc's avatar)
    at any rate, the whole process of critique is an extremely valuable one. giving criticism actually helps the person giving, as well as the person receiving- for to learn something thoroughly, you need to teach it to someone else. too, i have found that reading the critique for photos other than my own has helped me tremendously. understanding how someone else goes about evaluating an image gives valuable insight for me not only when i critique others- i find that concepts i have encountered and pondered in these fora actually percolate to my consiousness while i am doing my own work.
    i find this forum to be one of the best on the web- the mix of personalities is great, as is the level of expertise. in fact, i find myself intimidated anew these days, simply because the level of talent, even from obvious beginners, tends to be extremely high here. :D (is it just me,or is this rise in quality of pics posted noticeable to anyone else?)
     
  10. Dew

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    i have not noticed a rise in quality of the photos here toby .. i find it to be exactly the opposite :? ... which makes me feel like its almost time for me to move on ... i think the technical info here is great ... so i stay :D

    i need to keep learning and growing and not hit a brick wall ... i find myself looking at websites of photographers to enrich and inspire me ... but im not finding it here in the "post your photos" section

    there are a handful of photographers here that i inquire with about some projects that im interested in (thanks y'all .. u know who u are) ...
     
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    really? hmmm. i don't mean to say we don't still have the (how shall i put this delicately?) "beginner" posting here, cause some of the stuff is kinda weak. however, i see alot of newbies posting stuff that blows my stuff away. and there are definitely some extremely talented regulars posting here- you, your husband, vonmeister, shark, gdavis, drdan, voodoo, others that i don't mean to leave out but i'm not gonna list 'em all here.
    on a side note, i belong to a couple other fora (shhhhhhh) that target a more advanced user overall- let me know via pm if you wanna check any of them out.
     
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    p.s. dew- how come you didn't respond to my tfp post? i know you've worked with pro models before! :D

    p.p.s. i think this site would be the worse for your leaving- you have quite alot of valuable knowledge to share...
     
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