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[bribrius]

hands on in person is always better, this place is a good source beyond that option I think.

 

[JacaRanda]

I thought for sure somebody would post the links to the other 800 threads to giving critique, getting critique, how to ask and how to answer etc.

The mentor option is great, but how many newbies will take the time early on to even find that info. I wonder how the mentor program is going.

 

[Ysarex]

As for a student showing up in my class and barely knowing how to read? That's unfortunately happened

I thought that was the norm these days -- happens to me all the time, but then I am in the Art department. Tomorrow I have to mat prints with my class and we'll have to read a ruler. Now there's a Waterloo to bring down the average college student: 7 & 3/8 divided by 2 plus a 1/4 inch each side to increase the opening around the print.

Joe

 

[Designer]

I see shortcomings in every single photo I take. I am also new and have no idea how to fix most of them. So, like I said before, simple telling me that an image is underexposed doesn't help me a whole lot.

I thought this was a place for learning. Maybe I was mistaken and that is asking too much.

If you see shortcomings, and wish to fix them, just ask. Many of the members here are very good at editing, and are more than happy to offer guidance.

This site is wonderful for teaching. You might have to read between the lines, or ask specific questions, but the answers are here.

 

[The_Traveler]

If you google 'underexposed,' is it going to come up with "use a mask to correct underexposed pictures'? Or is it going to give you a gazillion results, some of them relating to photography and some not, and of those related to photography, how many of them will point you in a direction to help you edit in order to correct underexposed? If someone says "layering mask" and the person then googles that, it's more likely to lead something useful without slogging through all the other random crap that comes up in a google search.

If I told my writing students that they should "just know" what needs to be revised in their essays, I would be a terrible teacher. I have to tell them, "You have run-ons, subject-verb agreement issues, and you need specific examples in your body paragraphs." THEN they go and look at their notes about these issues, do some practice, and figure out what I mean by "specific examples." Sometimes they come back to me to clarify, or they go to their book or the internet. That's their end of the deal. But I have to give them more useful feedback beyond, "Your paragraphs are underdeveloped and your grammar needs work."

Interesting example, but not of your point.
You are telling your students what the defect is and then expecting them to either ask or do research to find out how to correct it.
There are multiple ways to handle underexposure (and a mask happens not to be one of them) and the critic can't give any editing advice until he or she knows:

• how much the student knows and understands,
  
• what software the student is working with, and
• whether the student actually wants to hear the answer.

 

[limr]

Still have to know what to Google. There are photography definitions, general information, a movie called "Underexposure" and then eventually some reference to editing for underexposure.

Interesting example, but not of your point.
You are telling your students what the defect is and then expecting them to either ask or do research to find out how to correct it.
There are multiple ways to handle underexposure (and a mask happens not to be one of them) and the critic can't give any editing advice until he or she knows:

• how much the student knows and understands,
• what software the student is working with, and
• whether the student actually wants to hear the answer.

Yes, I'm telling the student the defect, having already gone over some of the points with them and telling them where to go for answers. I don't correct the errors for them. They'd never learn anything that way. I'm a teacher, not a copy editor.

And I also said:
[/QUOTE]Again, it comes down to what the question is being asked. "How do I get better better exposure in my pictures?" vs "How can I fix a picture that has been underexposed?" If the learner doesn't even know what question to ask, then we ask our own questions (and I have seen this happen many times on this forum) to narrow down what that learner needs.[/QUOTE]

You're the one fond of pulling out the "You don't know what you don't know" issue. If the learner doesn't know what he or she doesn't know, how is s/he supposed to come up with the right question? Or should we ask our own questions before we assume the learner's skill or knowledge level?

 

[The_Traveler]

Since that is your own particular style of working, I will look forward to you jumping in there and leading the crush of comments to manage all the posters in the best way.
Myself, I will expect that the posters themselves take a bit more initiative and do a bit more work because I don't want to waste my time.

I have been teaching, with some breaks, since 1982 and my ways work for me.

 

[limr]

Since that is your own particular style of working, I will look forward to you jumping in there and leading the crush of comments to manage all the posters in the best way.
Myself, I will expect that the posters themselves take a bit more initiative and do a bit more work because I don't want to waste my time.

I have been teaching, with some breaks, since 1982 and my ways work for me.

Did I ever say that your ways were wrong? Or simply suggesting that they are not the only ones? That perhaps not all students benefit from only one style of teaching?

I've been teaching non-stop since 1994. What's your point?

 

[The_Traveler]

My point is, and was, that your repeated references to your 'students' seems to be an 'argument from authority' and my mention of my experience is to show that others of us have experience and choose to do it our own way.
Again, I encourage you to jump in with critiques to all these people asking for critique and help and teach in your own manner.

 

[pixmedic]

OK again but Exposure is arguably the most important part of photography, second being focus. That would be like me showing up to your class and not knowing how to read.

Again, it comes down to what the question is being asked. "How do I get better better exposure in my pictures?" vs "How can I fix a picture that has been underexposed?" If the learner doesn't even know what question to ask, then we ask our own questions (and I have seen this happen many times on this forum) to narrow down what that learner needs.

As for a student showing up in my class and barely knowing how to read? That's unfortunately happened

In that case I have a hard time justifying my time if someone isn't even willing to learn the basics. Everyone is doing this for free and it's insulting for someone to not even google basic stuff before expecting other to answer their easily answerable question.

Free?!?
I've been checking my mailbox all year waiting for a tpf paycheck. ... are you telling me it's not coming? I just assumed the administration kept getting my address wrong.

 

[limr]

My point is, and was, that your repeated references to 'your students' seems to be an 'argument from authority' and my mention of my experience is to show that others of us have experience and choose to do it our own way.
Again, I encourage you to jump in with critiques to all these people asking for critique and help and teach in your own manner.

My references to my students (I'm not sure why you used 'your students' in quotes) were provided as an analogy, not reference to authority. And this was about learning, not teaching. The OP asked why people didn't talk about their post processing techniques because she would find it helpful to learn. I am similar. I don't care how simple you think Joe's example was - it was still helpful to me.

But you, among others, suggested that this was a bad way of learning. But how can you say that? Do you really think that you know more that person's learning style than the person knows herself? Do you not remember that when I expressed my opinion about how I personally don't learn very well from having my own photos edited by someone else, you likened me to an ungrateful beggar?

 

[bribrius]

I tried real hard to get this leaf to process but couldn't find anything that would take it.

 

[limr]

As for critiquing, I pay attention to the question the OP asks and try to answer that question as thoroughly as I can.

 

[pixmedic]

Since that is your own particular style of working, I will look forward to you jumping in there and leading the crush of comments to manage all the posters in the best way.
Myself, I will expect that the posters themselves take a bit more initiative and do a bit more work because I don't want to waste my time.

I have been teaching, with some breaks, since 1982 and my ways work for me.

I have not taken as much advantage of Lews teaching techniques as I would really have liked to, but i will say that using Skypes audio/video chat features to show people how to edit photos is brilliant, and effective.

To actually "see" in real time how he gets the end results he wants is a great learning tool, especially if you have the same software.

 

[limr]

This thread baffles me, truly.