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Would you consider someone who works at a portrait studio in Wal-mart, Sears, Jc Pennys to be professional photographers?
 
Ask one of them. I've seen some horrid stuff I've seen some good stuff. From what I've seen some of my friends get it's hit or miss. Some times you may get a photography student working part time and get lucky because they care. Some times it will be just some person hitting the shutter button.
 
Just like the person who is cashier may be great at customer service or really suck... I don't think bigger companies like that care all that much who is taking the pictures as long as they show up for work.
 
From what i have read on here, NO chancers with a camera
 
I consider them more professional than much of the bestbuy/facebook crowd.

They get paid to push a button on equipment/environment already configured. If they do their job they are professional!
 
to the previous replies, I'm not asking if it makes them good, I'm asking if it makes them technically a "professional photographer" weather or not you care for the photos.
 
there isn't a definition of professional photographer so yes, anyone can technically call themselves a professional photographer...
 
At the Wal-Mart near me, the camera and lighting in the portrait studio are pre-set. The 'photographer' cannot make any camera/lens/lighting adjustments and only presses the shutter release button once the subjects have arranged themselves for the shot.

I disagree that paid=professional.
 
If they earn more than 50% of their annual income= pro
 
At the Wal-Mart near me, the camera and lighting in the portrait studio are pre-set. The 'photographer' cannot make any camera/lens/lighting adjustments and only presses the shutter release button once the subjects have arranged themselves for the shot.

I disagree that paid=professional.

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Seem to be that you just have to be engaged in the profession to reach the definition of professional, not qualified. So I think paid does = professional
 
SOMETIMES. Sometimes the person has some skills outside the studio. However in there they can't use the camera themselves in any way. They do have to learn posing basics, but it's not always the greatest.
It's a place to start.
I have seen many people who had worked in a similar studio come out and think they were giong to go into the business themselves to realize that they know nothing about photography that they THOUGHT they did. I have seen people really heartbroken because they THOUGHT they had a good basis for going out on their own, but realized that they really know NOTHING about the camera part AS WELL AS the business side of things. They're usually the ones who think that Wal Mart, Sears, whatever is actually making some $ off of those portrait sittings when they aren't... It's a painful lesson when you relize that you just lost thousands of dollars in equipment and business expenses and you just actually PAID your clients to let you take their photos.
 
At the Wal-Mart near me, the camera and lighting in the portrait studio are pre-set. The 'photographer' cannot make any camera/lens/lighting adjustments and only presses the shutter release button once the subjects have arranged themselves for the shot.

I disagree that paid=professional.

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[TD]Of, relating to, or connected with a profession.[/TD]
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[TD]Noun:[/TD]
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[TD]A person engaged or qualified in a profession.[/TD]
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Seem to be that you just have to be engaged in the profession to reach the definition of professional, not qualified. So I think paid does = professional

That's cutesy, but inaccurate and shallow.

From Wiki:


[h=3]Definition of Professional[/h] The main criteria for professional include the following:

  1. Expert and specialized knowledge in field which one is practicing professionally.[SUP][6][/SUP]
  2. Excellent manual/practical and literary skills in relation to profession.[SUP][7][/SUP]
  3. High quality work in (examples): creations, products, services, presentations, consultancy, primary/other research, administrative, marketing, photography or other work endeavours.
  4. A high standard of professional ethics, behaviour and work activities while carrying out one's profession (as an employee, self-employed person, career, enterprise, business, company, or partnership/associate/colleague, etc.). The professional owes a higher duty to a client, often a privilege of confidentiality, as well as a duty not to abandon the client just because he or she may not be able to pay or remunerate the professional. Often the professional is required to put the interest of the client ahead of his own interests.
  5. Reasonable work morale and motivation. Having interest and desire to do a job well as holding positive attitude towards the profession are important elements in attaining a high level of professionalism.
  6. Participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavour often engaged in by amateurs b : having a particular profession as a permanent career c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return[SUP][6][/SUP]
  7. Appropriate treatment of relationships with colleagues. Consideration should be shown to elderly, junior or inexperienced colleagues, as well as those with special needs. An example must be set to perpetuate the attitude of one's business without doing it harm.
  8. A professional is an expert who is master in a specific field.
[h=3][edit] Trades[/h] In narrow usage, not all expertise is considered a profession. Although sometimes referred to as professions, occupations such as skilled construction and maintenance work are more generally thought of as trades or crafts. The completion of an apprenticeship is generally associated with skilled labor or trades such as carpenter, electrician, plumber, bricklayer, Lineman and other similar occupations. A related distinction (and very valid) would be that a professional does mainly mental or administrative work, as opposed to engaging in physical work. Many companies include the word professional in their store name to signify the quality of their workmanship or service.

So a person at a Walmart who pushes a button and takes a photo, but who does not have the specialized skills and experience that it takes to make adjustments to the camera is not, to me, somebody who is a "professional." More of a tradesman I would argue. YMMV.
 
Cutesy? I used an actual dictionary, you used Wiki. Mine is a valid source, anybody can write what they want on Wiki. This is about definition, not the answer you want to hear.
At the Wal-Mart near me, the camera and lighting in the portrait studio are pre-set. The 'photographer' cannot make any camera/lens/lighting adjustments and only presses the shutter release button once the subjects have arranged themselves for the shot.

I disagree that paid=professional.

[h=3]pro·fes·sion·al/prəˈfeSHənl/
[/h][TABLE="class: ts"]
[TR]
[TD]Adjective:
[/TD]
[TD]
[TABLE="class: ts"]
[TR]
[TD]Of, relating to, or connected with a profession.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Noun:
[/TD]
[TD]
[TABLE="class: ts"]
[TR]
[TD]A person engaged or qualified in a profession.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Synonyms:
[/TD]
[TD]adjective. vocational - occupational
noun. pro - practitioner - specialist
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]






Seem to be that you just have to be engaged in the profession to reach the definition of professional, not qualified. So I think paid does = professional

That's cutesy, but inaccurate and shallow.

From Wiki:


[h=3]Definition of Professional[/h] The main criteria for professional include the following:
  1. Expert and specialized knowledge in field which one is practicing professionally.[SUP][6][/SUP]
  2. Excellent manual/practical and literary skills in relation to profession.[SUP][7][/SUP]
  3. High quality work in (examples): creations, products, services, presentations, consultancy, primary/other research, administrative, marketing, photography or other work endeavours.
  4. A high standard of professional ethics, behaviour and work activities while carrying out one's profession (as an employee, self-employed person, career, enterprise, business, company, or partnership/associate/colleague, etc.). The professional owes a higher duty to a client, often a privilege of confidentiality, as well as a duty not to abandon the client just because he or she may not be able to pay or remunerate the professional. Often the professional is required to put the interest of the client ahead of his own interests.
  5. Reasonable work morale and motivation. Having interest and desire to do a job well as holding positive attitude towards the profession are important elements in attaining a high level of professionalism.
  6. Participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavour often engaged in by amateurs b : having a particular profession as a permanent career c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return[SUP][6][/SUP]
  7. Appropriate treatment of relationships with colleagues. Consideration should be shown to elderly, junior or inexperienced colleagues, as well as those with special needs. An example must be set to perpetuate the attitude of one's business without doing it harm.
  8. A professional is an expert who is master in a specific field.
[h=3][edit] Trades[/h] In narrow usage, not all expertise is considered a profession. Although sometimes referred to as professions, occupations such as skilled construction and maintenance work are more generally thought of as trades or crafts. The completion of an apprenticeship is generally associated with skilled labor or trades such as carpenter, electrician, plumber, bricklayer, Lineman and other similar occupations. A related distinction (and very valid) would be that a professional does mainly mental or administrative work, as opposed to engaging in physical work. Many companies include the word professional in their store name to signify the quality of their workmanship or service.

So a person at a Walmart who pushes a button and takes a photo, but who does not have the specialized skills and experience that it takes to make adjustments to the camera is not, to me, somebody who is a "professional." More of a tradesman I would argue. YMMV.
 
They are camera operators and salesman. Professional sales. Professional button clicker.
 

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