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  1. unpopular

    unpopular Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    Well, you could have him put the service into his name so that the liability is his.

    For added protection, have him sign a notarized document that states that he will assume all responsibility for the network, including illegally obtained software.


     
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    The reason the internet is in my name is because I was living there for a year before he was.
     
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    waday Do one thing every day that scares you Supporting Member

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    Seriously, lock him out. Even if it's only for a few days or weeks. Or a month. Maybe it'll scare him enough to stop doing it, or to listen to you.

    College students think they're invincible, and it's usually a rude awakening to the real world.

    But, about that password, make it a minimum of 12 characters, including at least one lower case, upper case, number, and symbol.
     
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    Don't put words in my mouth. I said Zenimax sues and they do. I did not say they sue everyone, or that they sue individuals. They can, but that doesn't mean they will. But there's no reason to pretend there isn't a problem that needs to be dealt with. Charter got a DMCA takedown notice. They send out letters because if they don't deal with infringers, they lose their safe harbor status and become liable for the infringements. So they would much rather lose some infringing customers cos it's much cheaper than the alternative. No the OP is not likely to be sued but it is possible. OTOH, with roommates and an irresponsible brother, there's a very good chance of further infringements. That would force Charter's hand and his service is most likely going to be disconnected. That's not really convenient for most people and he might actually want or need their services now or in the future. The OP at least has the sense to try and prevent future infringements.
     
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    And likewise, I never said to "pretend there isn't a problem" only that at this point the legal issues are between Charter and Zenimax.

    Charter probably gets hundreds, or even thousands of these notices every month. For the OP this is a scary incident with scary letters authored by scary lawyers. For Charter though, it's everyday business. I doubt that anyone is sitting around in a board room debating over what to do about Footballfan993.

    I'm sure that they have a set procedure of how to handle these things.

    BTW - (I am not an attorney, the following is not legal advise) I did some brief poking around, and it would seem difficult to even recovery statutory damages in cases of individual piracy. And in your case specifically, as far as I am understanding it, they couldn't since statutory damages can only be recovered if the violation is "willful". What "willful" means exactly is pretty vague, but having someone unknowingly download software from your network certainly does not constitute that. This is why Zenimax gives Charter notice.

    Now, allowing your brother to use the network in the future is another case.
     
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    Hilourity ensued today!

    So this morning before work, I tried to change the password for the router, I did change it, but I was unable to reconnect to it before I left for work. So my brother is currently on the phone, and virtual computer with tech support resetting my router! And I think he paid for it too! But he did use my parents credit card.
     
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    So when he resets it you won't know what the password is?
     
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    Sledgehammer his fingers; that should keep him out. :mad:

    <jk>
     
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    Shouldn't your brother maybe be getting his own internet connection? If one is thru the phone company, have the other one thru the cable company (or whatever's available in your area) in his name and he's responsible for the bill.

    If he keeps pirating games and the service provider cuts off the service then let him be the one who's going to be spending a lot of time at the library getting school work done... (and why does he have access to your parents' credit card?? no wonder your mom wasn't too happy about this).

    It would be a double expense to have two separate connections if that's even an option, and I thought instead maybe you could have it put in his name instead of yours, but then I suppose you both could end up with no internet connection eventually unless he learns to knock it off.
     
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    Sounds like someone fishing for a confession. I mean did anyone send you something official through the mail, something like a case and desist letter? Your ISP emailed you informing you of the situation, but did they give you some terms...confess or buy the game or go to jail,? I'm just trying to understand the hysteria.
     
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    When he reseted the router, I will go on later, while he's gone, and he configure the router, to my liking, set up the password I want, etc.

    Vintagesnaps, WE don't have a telephone line or TV, we only have internet, from Charter, and it is a whole house that we have, not an apartment, I'm not sure if you can have two separate ISPs in the same house hold. But that is a good plan, for him to get his illegal games. The reason why we have access to my parent's credit card, is because we are authorized users on their account, my brother does have a debit card for his own personal bank account, but I have yet to see him use it.

    Tail gunner, I didn't get an official notice asking to confess or that jail time may happen, what the letter from Charter did state was to try to find out who illegally downloaded the files, and to tell them what I have done to avoid illegal downloads from happening again.
     

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