Educated in art or not......

[mishele]

It's more about the MONEY than anything else!!

 

[jake337]

That's because we are a drug oriented culture. Don't blame that on education.

True. But it would be ignorant to say that everything taught in educational systems is perfect and has no flaws.

 

[jake337]

That's because we are a drug oriented culture. Don't blame that on education.

True. But it would be ignorant to say that everything taught in educational systems is perfect and has no flaws.

I, somewhat, take this back. It is not so much the content of educational systems, but how the content is delivered to the students.

 

[ahcigar1]

Bitter why the need to be so harsh and rude in your post. I have never have been condesending to anyone. Quite a good way to keep a new member around. I think what you have failed to miss is that this was only my opinion, which everyone has the right to. And Overread has already changed my view of how I was portraying the subject. Your response was unneaded especially in the form that you have done so.

 

[jake337]

I guess I worded it incorrectly what I was trying to say is that what I see as something I love and think looks good may not be for another person.

That is more correctly described as 'Taste'.

And the issue with studying art is that someone always tries to tell you what is wrong and what is right and tries to curve your opinion and mold you into what THEY think art should be.

Hmmm...that's not really how art education works at all. Well, at least at a good university. Like anything, the quality of education varies, and you get what you pay for.





Perhaps this is because you don't understand it, and don't have the vocabulary to put into words why you like it or not.
You don't have the knowledge to truly appreciate abstract work, so it's easy to dismiss it.



Because you have to identify with a subject. If there is no straight forward subject, you are lost.


It is an uneducated opinion. Call it what it is.

And if I has someone who as teaching me about art and they thought that abastract was art and the only way to go was with abstract then it would most likely begin to curve my judgment away from my personal thoughts and views.

A teacher is a guide, and should never force your creativity one direction or another. Well, a good teacher, that is. Teaching art is teaching a student to see, to question, to express themselves, to think, to challenge, and how to get all that out in an effective manner.

Does that make sense? Very difficult to portray idea over message board, much easier to speak this kind of idea.

It's difficult to portray, because it's difficult to agrue any subject from a point of ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject. Text or verbal argument would end in frustration for both parties, when it is unedumacated vs. edumacated on any given subject.

So you are implying one must be educated in the arts to appreciate it?

Wow.

I'm not going to look at a piece of art, not like it, then change my mind because I find it has some elements of artistic design.

A piece of art either pleases my eyes or doesn't.

I'm not saying elements of artistic design and theory are not important. They are great tools and knowledge is definitely power.

I am saying one does not need to understand or even know them to appreciate art. Because if the artist is using them wisely, the viewer should not need to understand them, the concepts the artist is trying to convey should come through during viewing even to an unedumacated person as you so nicely stated.


On a side note, I have enjoyed every piece of art you have posted since I have joined. With no edumacations in the arts. Why because you use artist design, and it comes through to me, the viewer.

 

[brush]

I definitely wouldn't call it a hindrance...the more informed I am, the better I feel I can appreciate things that are good...not just in art...but in life. Music, technology, society, politics, faith, etc. Being informed is the absolute opposite of a hindrance. But there is certainly something to be said to the line "ignorance is bliss" also. Once you learn to really appreciate something, the crap pictures you used to think looked cool aren't going to do it for you anymore. Same thing happens with music. Surround yourself with some really talented musicians & suddenly you can't hear mustang sally in a crappy local bar without wanting to run hide.

So no, not a hindrance, but I admit that sometimes I do miss the days when I knew less...and someday I'll miss the days I only knew as little as I know today.

 

[mishele]

You can't say you don't need something like art education, because you have never had it. That just doesn't make sense. You don't know how you would feel looking at art through educated eyes. Why wouldn't you want to be able to see both sides and then have an educated opinion. If you still feel the same way, that it's not needed, more power to you.

 

[ahcigar1]

All I was saying is that there are so many different aspects of art and how you can portray it that it is difficult to learn or take a class because it is such a personal emotion that people have when they view art. A teacher can be as unbiased as possible but in the end ultimately will be biased because of thier emotions.

And as far as Bitters response to my post stating "Because you have to identify with a subject. If there is no straight forward subject, you are lost." I don't neccissarily have to identify with a subject or else I am lost. Being an equine photographer I naturally lean to and enjoy photos that portray horses much more than others because that is my taste. But at the same time I can see beauty in other photos as well no matter what the genre.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

That's because we are a drug oriented culture. Don't blame that on education.

True. But it would be ignorant to say that everything taught in educational systems is perfect and has no flaws.

True there is no absolute. But you shouldn't put forth an argument in such a simplistic manner. It's not because of education alone that doctors are drug happy. There are many factors involved. You blamed one.

 

[jake337]

You can't say you don't need something like art education, because you have never had it. That just doesn't make sense. You don't know how you would feel looking at art through educated eyes. Why wouldn't you want to be able to see both sides and then have an educated opinion. If you still feel the same way, that it's not needed, more power to you.

No, no, no. Definitely not saying it's not needed. Just trying to point out that a great artist can convey what they want to an uneducated person with knowledge of artistic design.

I'm really just trying to stick up for the person bitter bashed for being "unedamacated".

Remember though, you started this thread and you were the one feeling hindrances caused by your education in art. You said it yourself, you were looking for the elements of design instead of letting the artwork flow.

I like to look at art and let it flow. Yes, it's nice to have an understanding of the whys and hows of the design of a certain piece. But in my opinion, that is the job of the artist to use these elements so that I, the viewer, need not think about them.
When one has to search for elements within a piece of artwork, I feel, that the artist didn't use them properly. I shouldn't have to find them. They should flow smoothly.

Maybe it's just me, but looking for the elements of design in art isn't letting it flow.

 

[jake337]

That's because we are a drug oriented culture. Don't blame that on education.

True. But it would be ignorant to say that everything taught in educational systems is perfect and has no flaws.

True there is no absolute. But you shouldn't put forth an argument in such a simplistic manner. It's not because of education alone that doctors are drug happy. There are many factors involved. You blamed one.

You are correct. That is why I agreed with you.

 

[bentcountershaft]

I'm not going to look at a piece of art, not like it, then change my mind because I find it has some elements of artistic design.

A piece of art either pleases my eyes or doesn't.

In my own experience I have to say that after studying art for a while my tastes changed a bit. It's a slow process but over the years it happened.

I think an interesting, long term experiment would be to show some begining art students a twenty or so works of various mediums of varying quality. Some masterpieces and some worthless ****. None of these should be famous works that are the least bit recognizable. Have them write down a couple sentences for each one about what they liked, didn't like how they felt or whatever. Then, after four years of art classes as them to do it again. Assuming they haven't seen them since the original showing I'd be willing to bet that a lot of opinions would change, both ways.

 

[ahcigar1]

I'm really just trying to stick up for the guy bitter bashed for being "unedamacated".

Thank you Jake I do appreciate it, but as a correction I am female, LOL. Just as a side note.

 

[jake337]

I'm really just trying to stick up for the guy bitter bashed for being "unedamacated".

Thank you Jake I do appreciate it, but as a correction I am female, LOL. Just as a side note.

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[jake337]

I'm not going to look at a piece of art, not like it, then change my mind because I find it has some elements of artistic design.

A piece of art either pleases my eyes or doesn't.

In my own experience I have to say that after studying art for a while my tastes changed a bit. It's a slow process but over the years it happened.

I think an interesting, long term experiment would be to show some begining art students a twenty or so works of various mediums of varying quality. Some masterpieces and some worthless ****. None of these should be famous works that are the least bit recognizable. Have them write down a couple sentences for each one about what they liked, didn't like how they felt or whatever. Then, after four years of art classes as them to do it again. Assuming they haven't seen them since the original showing I'd be willing to bet that a lot of opinions would change, both ways.

I can agree with that. I just don't appreciate it when some implies that others can't appreciate something because they are not educated.