Hardened

[Bossy]

My question was, why do you assume the man is poor or homeless? Where I live, I see people that look and dress similar to this man, that are, in fact, quite well off.

Well then, ask them if they want to be shown on the Internet looking like this and then take their picture.
Do you really think that this guy was chosen as the subject because he was a rich man in disguise - or because he looked like hell and would put some emotion into an otherwise crap shot.

So you asked the old person in the walker on your "ingenious" missed a step image if you could post them on the interwebs right?

 

[The_Traveler]

So you asked the old person in the walker on your "ingenious" missed a step image if you could post them on the interwebs right?

If you can't tell the huge difference between the shot above and the 'missed a step' shot, you are challenged in more way than ethically.

 

[JacaRanda]

Before I read through the rest of the posts, I was going to ask "how do you know he is homeless?".

 

[HughGuessWho100 15]

Well then, ask them if they want to be shown on the Internet looking like this and then take their picture. Do you really think that this guy was chosen as the subject because he was a rich man in disguise - or because he looked like hell and would put some emotion into an otherwise crap shot.

I can't say why it was taken, as I didn't take it. But I can tell you that I would have taken it because he looks like an interesting character and I'm sure he has many interesting stories to tell. Much like the hundreds of Appalachian people that I have met, gotten to know, respect and have photographed. Most of these people have very little, but don't consider themselves to be less of a person than I am, and I agree. Many enjoy sharing a part of their life with others, and I enjoy listening. That does not equal taking advantage of them.

Believe it or not, you opinion is not the only one that counts.

I'm done with this conversation.

 

[Bossy]

So you asked the old person in the walker on your "ingenious" missed a step image if you could post them on the interwebs right?

If you can't tell the huge difference between the shot above and the 'missed a step' shot, you are challenged in more way than ethically.

I love how instead of admitting you are overreacting and just being pissy because someone else dares shoot street photography, you resort to childish name calling. Its so endearing.

 

[HughGuessWho100 15]

If you can't tell the huge difference between the shot above and the 'missed a step' shot, you are challenged in more way than ethically.

You really don't need to constantly insult those that don't agree with you. Really, it doesn't help your argument.

 

[JacaRanda]

Could this not have been a really good teaching moment in the art of street photography? I like...I don't like...here are some ways to improve....maybe try this out next time....???

I really want to understand because I enjoy viewing street photography.

 

[xj0hnx]

I never would have guessed this would have been such a provocative discussion. Lew, fear not, the man was not "bought off" with a meal, or smoke, he gave me permission to shoot him, and use the image. Though I must say, I can't help but feel there is some projection in your responses. Here's another guy, he is "homeless", but it's because he is traveling around the country at the time this was shot.



He was quite happy being shot.

 

[HughGuessWho100 15]

I never would have guessed this would have been such a provocative discussion. Lew, fear not, the man was not "bought off" with a meal, or smoke, he gave me permission to shoot him, and use the image. Though I must say, I can't help but feel there is some projection in your responses. Here's another guy, he is "homeless", but it's because he is traveling around the country at the time this was shot.



He was quite happy being shot.

My point exactly!! Thank you!

 

[The_Traveler]

for Bossy, who seemed unable to figure out the difference.

My picture: did not depend on the way the person looked
was not an up close picture that made her the center of attraction, she was a small part of it
and the picture was about an action going on that combined her going by with the poster
and did depend on any way that she looked for the impact.

and that is what street photography is about, catching that moment when something happens that is interesting and intriguing. It is not finding people that look like hell and getting pictures of them.

I find it interesting that people are really willing to find fault with me but are totally unwilling to answer my previous question.

If this man was your son or brother or father and he was having a really rough time with life and looked like hell, would you take his picture and put it on the Internet so people could see just how bad he looked for no other reason or benefit except that you got a picture?

 

[Braineack]

If you can't tell the huge difference between the shot above and the 'missed a step' shot, you are challenged in more way than ethically.

I Kant believe you're bringing up ethics.

 

[HughGuessWho100 15]

for Bossy, who seemed unable to figure out the difference.

My picture: did not depend on the way the person looked
was not an up close picture that made her the center of attraction, she was a small part of it
and the picture was about an action going on that combined her going by with the poster
and did depend on any way that she looked for the impact.

and that is what street photography is about, catching that moment when something happens that is interesting and intriguing. It is not finding people that look like hell and getting pictures of them.

I find it interesting that people are really willing to find fault with me but are totally unwilling to answer my previous question.

If this man was your son or brother or father and he was having a really rough time with life and looked like hell, would you take his picture and put it on the Internet so people could see just how bad he looked for no other reason or benefit except that you got a picture?

I will answer your question;

If my Son, Father or other loved one was homeless, I would not want his picture taken and exploited.

However, the point of this debate is, what makes you so certain that this man is homeless, or that he didn't WANT his picture taken?

Now, since I answered you question how about answering mine? What convinces you that this man is homeless, and if he is, that he isn't ok with his life?

 

[The_Traveler]

I didn't say that he was homeless, he must sleep somewhere, but that is a generic term that everyone uses for the down and out without traditional lives.

And I didn't ask the question about your relative being homeless but about how you would feel if " he was having a really rough time with life and looked like hell"
Clearly if it is someone close to you that is in that life, you would show some compassion and shelter him from being exposed in that situation if you could.
Yes, he might take money and give up his privacy because he needs the dough.
Give him the couple of bucks and walk away; we shouldn't need to build our portfolio on someone else's shame.
I think that we should show the same empathy and compassion for anyone we meet.

And I won't engage on this thread any more and prefer you stay away from mine.

 

[xj0hnx]

I didn't say that he was homeless, he must sleep somewhere, but that is a generic term that everyone uses for the down and out without traditional lives.

And I didn't ask the question about your relative being homeless but about how you would feel if " he was having a really rough time with life and looked like hell"
Clearly if it is someone close to you that is in that life, you would show some compassion and shelter him from being exposed in that situation if you could.
Yes, he might take money and give up his privacy because he needs the dough.
Give him the couple of bucks and walk away; we shouldn't need to build our portfolio on someone else's shame.
I think that we should show the same empathy and compassion for anyone we meet.

And I won't engage on this thread any more and prefer you stay away from mine.

Honestly I don't know why you're so hell bent on this, this photo has nothing to do with homelessness, and the guy pictured isn't homeless. He isn't dirty, broke, living on the streets, he was clean, had on clean, new cloths, shirt was tucked in. The now is irrelevant, the hardened is just from life, war, working away for most of his life.

 

[Bossy]

for Bossy, who seemed unable to figure out the difference.

My picture: did not depend on the way the person looked
was not an up close picture that made her the center of attraction, she was a small part of it
and the picture was about an action going on that combined her going by with the poster
and did depend on any way that she looked for the impact.

and that is what street photography is about, catching that moment when something happens that is interesting and intriguing. It is not finding people that look like hell and getting pictures of them.

I find it interesting that people are really willing to find fault with me but are totally unwilling to answer my previous question.

If this man was your son or brother or father and he was having a really rough time with life and looked like hell, would you take his picture and put it on the Internet so people could see just how bad he looked for no other reason or benefit except that you got a picture?

Bull poopie it didn't. Walker and all. How dare you mock the handicapable. Poor woman with a walker and you title it missed a step. How gross.
Or maybe its just not that serious when you do it, right?

As for the repeated question, I don't think he looks bad. He's clean, his hat is devoid of sweat stains, his shirt is clean, he has some seriously sun loved/worked hard skin which calls for the "hardened" title.
You have no leg to stand on here, you are the only one casting these judgements.