Headshot C&C

[Ballistics]

That is of course entirely up to you, whether anyone likes it or not.

I love critique. In fact, I embrace it every time. To be completely honest, I think this picture sucks. Flat out. If I were to grade it, I'd give it a D. The main reason why I posted it, is because I haven't shot in a few weeks and I needed to get back in a rhythm of shooting.

Having said that, I refuse to take anything that any one says into consideration if the critique is loaded with personal negative inflammatory garbage. And that's how I'm going to roll from here on out. I don't care if it's the greatest critique in the world. I'm taking a stand against this holier-than-thou nonsense.

 

[Ballistics]

Are they real or added later in post eyelashes?... and both eyes aren't in focus, the skin looks a little overprocessed, she is a lovely model... just my opinion..

Real

 

[The_Traveler]

I love critique. In fact, I embrace it every time. To be completely honest, I think this picture sucks. Flat out. If I were to grade it, I'd give it a D. The main reason why I posted it, is because I haven't shot in a few weeks and I needed to get back in a rhythm of shooting.

Well, since I spent time and effort on a picture you don't give a crap about, I'm taking a stance on commenting on your stuff.

 

[Ballistics]

I love critique. In fact, I embrace it every time. To be completely honest, I think this picture sucks. Flat out. If I were to grade it, I'd give it a D. The main reason why I posted it, is because I haven't shot in a few weeks and I needed to get back in a rhythm of shooting.

Well, since I spent time and effort on a picture you don't give a crap about, I'm taking a stance on commenting on your stuff.

That is completely your call, although I appreciated your critique and learned something.

For everyone's consideration - I am a beginner, and I am not passionate about photography like the majority of you are.
There's not really any shot of my own that I particularly care about when it comes to art. I'm not an artist.

Having said that, I DO like to learn and what holds value to me, is not the image presented, but the thought out critiques given.
I love progression, and I love learning, but I don't love photography or art. I do it because I like it, and it's a hobby of mine, that's really it.
If that is not enough for you to want to give critique, than I encourage you not to.

My question to you, Traveler, is; why does the personal value of an image effect your critique? Is your critique any less valuable because I think the picture sucks, but I am using it as a segue to improve?

 

[12sndsgood]

im just at a loss. you say you want the critiques, but you fight with those who give them because you don't like the fashion in which they are presented. heck compared to some responces people recieve on here derrels critique was mild at best. If you don't care about something why should someone bother spending there time on critiquing something you don't care about. saying you don't care about it almost seems like a cop out. that well you guys hated it, but i didn't like it either. almost as if your trying to protect yourself from the critique.

 

[Ballistics]

im just at a loss. you say you want the critiques, but you fight with those who give them because you don't like the fashion in which they are presented. heck compared to some responces people recieve on here derrels critique was mild at best. If you don't care about something why should someone bother spending there time on critiquing something you don't care about. saying you don't care about it almost seems like a cop out. that well you guys hated it, but i didn't like it either. almost as if your trying to protect yourself from the critique.

You used a plural term with "those". Who are "those"? Because I refuse to consider Derrels posts since they are riddled with condescension, you sum that up to ALL?
If you want to defend Derrel, so be it. I don't give a flying truck how "mild" his post was. His was the least inflammatory of his posts, so therefore it should be tolerated. Roger that.

I took everyone elses posts into serious consideration.

How does me not liking the shot seem like a cop out? LOL. This place is twisted sometimes.

why should someone bother spending there time on critiquing something you don't care about.

Read post #19 again. That should answer this in great detail.

 

[tirediron]

Okay... serious question. This is NOT your first day here; you had to have known what was likely to be said, so why are you so defensive? To be honest, I'm at a loss as to why a photographer who has posted some of the work you have would have posted this image without at least cropping off a good chunk of the LH side. The subject looks good, the composition? Not so much, but it would be easy to make a HUGE improvement with a simple crop per Lew's suggestion.

 

[Ballistics]

Okay... serious question. This is NOT your first day here; you had to have known what was likely to be said, so why are you so defensive? To be honest, I'm at a loss as to why a photographer who has posted some of the work you have would have posted this image without at least cropping off a good chunk of the LH side. The subject looks good, the composition? Not so much, but it would be easy to make a HUGE improvement with a simple crop per Lew's suggestion.

Not defensive at all. I'm just taking a stand against Derrel. I'm not upset or defensive, just avoiding him based on our history. Even the pettiest of personal remarks will not go acknowledged from here on out. That's pretty much it.

I like Lews suggestion. I went with the horizontal crop for 2 reasons.

- to see what it looks like
- to later a logo/text . (notice the file name nologo)

I take pictures and never find myself successful. So I post them here to get information to use it to maybe one day take a successful image.

 

[Vtec44]

I take pictures and never find myself successful. So I post them here to get information to use it to maybe one day take a successful image.

I'm curious, why do you consider your pictures not successful?

 

[Ballistics]

I take pictures and never find myself successful. So I post them here to get information to use it to maybe one day take a successful image.

I'm curious, why do you consider your pictures not successful?

Because what I see in my head does not translate into the photograph.

 

[Vtec44]

For me, I find it helpful to verbally describe what I want (talk to myself, to my assistant, and/or to the model) about a certain shot. If I can describe it and not just visualize it in my own head, then I can make it happen. I'm not sure if that will work for you but if you haven't done so, give it a try.

 

[The_Traveler]

My question to you, Traveler, is; why does the personal value of an image effect your critique? Is your critique any less valuable because I think the picture sucks, but I am using it as a segue to improve?

For the same reason that I tell a new person -post the best picture you have and one that you think is terrific, so that everything you hear will be new and useful.

If you don't think much of it and you have a good idea what's 'wrong', why should I spend time telling you what you know?

It's a waste of time for both of us and I feel taken advantage of, doing make-work so you can keep your presence.

 

[Ballistics]

My question to you, Traveler, is; why does the personal value of an image effect your critique? Is your critique any less valuable because I think the picture sucks, but I am using it as a segue to improve?

For the same reason that I tell a new person -post the best picture you have and one that you think is terrific, so that everything you hear will be new and useful.

If you don't think much of it and you have a good idea what's 'wrong', why should I spend time telling you what you know?

It's a waste of time for both of us and I feel taken advantage of, doing make-work so you can keep your presence.

That's a bit melodramatic. Having said that, it shouldn't make a difference to you if I think the image is amazing or worthless. What should make the difference is that I learn something from your reply, and I did, so I don't see where the problem is. Like I said, I encourage you to stop C&Cing my images if you feel the way you do, because I promise you that even images that are well-received(there have been one or two I think) aren't considered up to snuff in my eyes.

 

[Ballistics]

Here's what's awesome(effin sucks) about this forum; I can post an image and unless I bump the thread it can go days before someone responds.
Derrel tried to make the connection that the reason why I had 117 views and no responses because the picture isn't good, which is utter nonsense.
In order for you to have a large response to your thread, you need to have controversy. Otherwise my images do not get much attention.

Notice how it went from 117 views and no responses, to 377 and 26 replies after the pot was stirred.

The other side to this coin, is if I came here and told everyone that I think I really hit a homerun with this image. I may have had 50 posts by now.

 

[12sndsgood]

im just at a loss. you say you want the critiques, but you fight with those who give them because you don't like the fashion in which they are presented. heck compared to some responces people recieve on here derrels critique was mild at best. If you don't care about something why should someone bother spending there time on critiquing something you don't care about. saying you don't care about it almost seems like a cop out. that well you guys hated it, but i didn't like it either. almost as if your trying to protect yourself from the critique.

You used a plural term with "those". Who are "those"? Because I refuse to consider Derrels posts since they are riddled with condescension, you sum that up to ALL?
If you want to defend Derrel, so be it. I don't give a flying truck how "mild" his post was. His was the least inflammatory of his posts, so therefore it should be tolerated. Roger that.

I took everyone elses posts into serious consideration.

How does me not liking the shot seem like a cop out? LOL. This place is twisted sometimes.

why should someone bother spending there time on critiquing something you don't care about.

Read post #19 again. That should answer this in great detail.

Sorry. with the type of responce I was assumming you were tired of everyones bashing and I didn't realise it was just a single issue with Derrel alone. If it is just a single issue with derrel why not just ignore him? Then you wouldn't have to waste your time responding to him,seems like that would solve the problem easy enough.