I Can't Stand Elitism

[slickhare]

i'm not going to get into the whole story of my experience, but i really don't can't stand elitism in photography. i'm sick of people who brainwash non-photographers into the "better camera = (always) better pictures". sure maybe quality wise. but i'm not afraid to admit that someone out there might have such a great eye and creativity that they could take better pictures with a disposable than i could with my DSLR. it makes me think of photo competions with themes (like the ones here) where given a simple topic, everyone comes up with wonderfully unique ways of expressing it, with all different levels of experience and equipment. i love the freedom of expression in photo, and elitism just really eats away at that.

so any thoughts about it?

 

[Aoide]

Don't get me started. I searched high and low for a forum that I felt comfortable at and many times I stopped participating in a forum for this very reason.

At one forum a new person introduced themselves and said they had a point and shoot camera (it was a VERY nice point and shoot) and the reply from the board owner? Oh, well soon we'll get you shooting with a real camera.

I think that if someone has a passion for photography, for capturing images and sharing them, then they should be encouraged and welcomed. It shouldn't matter what equipment you are using, how many lenses you have (or how many of them are "L" glass) or how much experience you have.



Ok....whew..... ok. I'm ok now. I should never have started typing on this topic. I feel pretty passionate about it. And that's why I love The Photo Forum. Because of the atmosphere. So not to turn this into a love fest, but thanks Chase, Hobbes and the Mod Gang for such a great place. :love:

 

[Dweller]

that's why I love The Photo Forum. Because of the atmosphere. So not to turn this into a love fest, but thanks Chase, Hobbes and the Mod Gang for such a great place. :love:

Just wanted to second that.

I was so happy to find this place after spending some time at other photography forums and seeing time and again the kind of attitudes you have described.

 

[slickhare]

Just wanted to second that.

I was so happy to find this place after spending some time at other photography forums and seeing time and again the kind of attitudes you have described.

couldnt agree more with you two!

 

[Hertz van Rental]

There is nothing wrong with elitism as long as it involves the right people.

 

[Torus34]

[ROFL] Hertz! Hertz! You're back!

Where you been, Man? Vacation?

We've missed you!

[Signed] Rara Avis

 

[LittleMan]

[ROFL] Hertz! Hertz! You're back!

Where you been, Man? Vacation?

We've missed you!

[Signed] Rara Avis

he is always here... watching.... waiting. :hertz:

 

[Aoide]

There is nothing wrong with elitism as long as it involves the right people.

I don't know whether you are serious or not, but I do agree with this statement. There are some things that I develop this attitude about. I think it is called for in some situations, but not a photography forum where people are here to learn.

 

[ksmattfish]

i'm sick of people who brainwash non-photographers into the "better camera = (always) better pictures".

At the top of the heap of offenders would be Canon and Nikon corporations. They spend more money advertising their mousetraps than building better ones. Without elitism how could they get someone to spend $1500 on a zoom lens, or $3000 on a camera that isn't weather sealed?

 

[fightheheathens]

my favorite is name elitism.

this picture was taken by Mr. X, therefore it must be awsome
and i shall smother it with praise.

 

[darin3200]

I think you are talking more about commericial elitism, like "I'm a better photographer than you because of my camera" type attitudes. Elitism isn't always bad, for instance Magnum is a very elite group and they have the right to be.

 

[Hertz van Rental]

I don't know whether you are serious or not, but I do agree with this statement. There are some things that I develop this attitude about. I think it is called for in some situations, but not a photography forum where people are here to learn.

I was half serious, half joking as always - it's my Zen Master routine.
It is important not to confuse 'elitism' with 'recognising talent and ability'.
In the former you tend to become a member of the 'elite' through contacts, family, friends, money, et al.
In the latter you get there because you deserve to be there and are someone to be looked up to. It also means that anyone else with talent and ability can get there too through hard work.

 

[Calliope]

I was half serious, half joking as always - it's my Zen Master routine.
It is important not to confuse 'elitism' with 'recognising talent and ability'.
In the former you tend to become a member of the 'elite' through contacts, family, friends, money, et al.
In the latter you get there because you deserve to be there and are someone to be looked up to. It also means that anyone else with talent and ability can get there too through hard work.

Well said! :thumbup:

 

[Torus34]

"I was half serious, half joking as always - it's my Zen Master routine."

[Sound of one hand, clapping!]

Note: NOT meant as a slam!

 

[Hertz van Rental]

In the early 80's there were three of us who were known as The Zen Photographers - primarily because of our approach and the way we talked about Photography.
When I was teaching at a College in the late 90's the students, without any knowledge of the above, started calling me the 'Zen Master Photographer' behind my back. Again because of the way I approached Photography and talked to them.
Now I describe myself like that as a joke.

And the sound of one hand clapping is usually a Pentax 67 with motordrive