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No they don't work the same, the Hasselblad medium format delivers pixel size of 5.3 microns where full frame only 4.1 Microns.. dynamic range is 14 stops and TRUE 16 bit, unlike full fame is NOT!!

You didn't answer how they record images differently...

You're throwing out logical fallicies.


Sure i did it's all there, all them factors means it's recorded differently, for example when i said "medium format delivers pixel size of 5.3 microns where full frame only 4.1 Microns."
Right there pixel size to the sensor is recording differently, not the same way, plus the other factors.

i'm not going to pull out a blueprint of the electronics on it.
 
No they don't work the same, the Hasselblad medium format delivers pixel size of 5.3 microns where full frame only 4.1 Microns.. dynamic range is 14 stops and TRUE 16 bit, unlike full fame is NOT!!

Correction, i didn't mean 8 bit, i meant 12 and 14 bit for full frame and crop sensors..

the Nikon D3 and D300 are both capable of recording in both 12-bit and 14-bit modes. The method of recording 14-bit files on the D300 is substantively different from that for recording 12-bit files; in particular, the frame rate slows by a factor 3-4. Reading out the sensor more slowly allows it to be read more accurately, and so there may indeed by a perceptible improvement in D300 14-bit files over D300 12-bit files (specifically, less read noise, including pattern noise). That does not, however, mean that the data need be recorded at 14-bit tonal depth -- the improvement in image quality comes from the slower readout, and because the noise is still more than four 14-bit levels, the image could still be recorded in 12-bit tonal depth and be indistinguishable from the 14-bit data it was derived from.

Hasselblad does not record image in the same way as the full frame or crop sensor, yes it does in the same general way, but not exactly, they are different factors in the medium format because it is different more dynamic range, the 5.3 microns vs the 4.1 microns, the speed that the sensor picks up the image and filters and all that.
they make different sensors because, because sensors record in different ways thus giving you different results..
this is a fact..

ADVANTAGES OF A LARGER SENSOR
A larger sensor has a larger area to gather light and the pixels are not so tightly packed as in a smaller format sensor. The larger sensor area means the individual pixels can be larger, too. For example, on a 50 megapixel Hasselblad CMOS camera, the pixel size is about 5.3 microns. Compare that to the pixel size on a standard high resolution DSLR and the size is about 4.14 microns. Thus, low light performance is much better, because the signal to noise ratio is favorable. In plain English that translates to 28 percent greater light capturing capacity.

But that’s not all. A larger sensor provides much greater dynamic range, which gives a larger transitional tonal value, greater tonal accuracy, and better color accuracy. The dynamic range on a medium format camera is 14-stops more than that of a DSLR! The images shot are true 16-bit.

A larger sensor provides room to produce larger lenses, which are easier to make, and thus the optical quality of such lenses is superior. Add to this the benefit that medium format lenses can deliver a shallower depth of field when compared to full-frame DSLRs at the same aperture settings. Even at smaller apertures the quality of the images produced are sharp and devoid of diffraction, thanks to the superior optical quality.

Besides the advantage in pixel count, the much larger area of the medium-format sensors gives them an advantage in image noise. A larger sensor area can collect more light (photons) than a smaller one when you use the same shutter speed and aperture. And the more light, the higher the signal-to-noise (S/N) ratio. That’s because photonic noise (the noise carried by light itself and the main source of noise in most digital images with current cameras) increases as the square root of the signal: If you have 4 photons of signal, you’ll get 2 photons of noise, for a photonic S/N ratio of 2:1. If you have 100 photons of signal, noise will be 10 photons, for a 10:1 S/N ratio. If you have 10,000 photons of signal, you get 100 photons of noise, for a photonic S/N ratio of 100:1. A better S/N ratio means fewer fine details and steps of dynamic range are lost to noise, and that means better image quality, including higher resolution for a given pixel count (because less detail is lost to noise). Of course, there are other sources of image noise, but from a photonic noise standpoint, bigger is better.

Nearly all medium-format digital cameras are 16-bit devices, while DSLRs are 14- or 12-bit. This means the medium-format cameras can provide a smoother range of tones (especially important in portrait work, but almost always a good thing), theoretically, 65,536 tones or color shades per channel versus 16,384 for 14-bit and 4,096 for 12-bit cameras.

(JPEGs from any camera are 8-bit—just 256 tones from black to white—one of many reasons to shoot RAW.) Of course, some of these steps are lost to noise (if the difference from one step to the next is less than the noise level, you won’t be able to differentiate those steps), but still, 16-bit medium-format images can reproduce a smoother range of tones and colors than 14- and 12-bit DSLR images.

This is a Fact and Undisputed!!!!
this is how it is... This is why a hassy goes for 40k vs your best full frame camera maybe 8 k at most..
there is a reason why the hassy is 5 times the price, it's not because of it's name..


When you copy other peoples work verbatim without credit it's called plagiarism and is generally a real good indication of your incompetence. Here's a link to the article your stole: https://www.picturecorrect.com/tips/how-are-medium-format-cameras-different-than-regular-cameras/

Joe
 
No they don't work the same, the Hasselblad medium format delivers pixel size of 5.3 microns where full frame only 4.1 Microns.. dynamic range is 14 stops and TRUE 16 bit, unlike full fame is NOT!!

The dynamic range (DXoMark style) of the Hasselbald H5 -- we are talking about the H5 because that's the camera you referred to in your other post -- is 14 stops as you note here. DXoMark measures the dynamic range of the Nikon 850 at 14.8 stops which is more. (14.8 is bigger than 14): Nikon D850 : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark

Joe
 
No they don't work the same, the Hasselblad medium format delivers pixel size of 5.3 microns where full frame only 4.1 Microns.. dynamic range is 14 stops and TRUE 16 bit, unlike full fame is NOT!!

Correction, i didn't mean 8 bit, i meant 12 and 14 bit for full frame and crop sensors..

the Nikon D3 and D300 are both capable of recording in both 12-bit and 14-bit modes. The method of recording 14-bit files on the D300 is substantively different from that for recording 12-bit files; in particular, the frame rate slows by a factor 3-4. Reading out the sensor more slowly allows it to be read more accurately, and so there may indeed by a perceptible improvement in D300 14-bit files over D300 12-bit files (specifically, less read noise, including pattern noise). That does not, however, mean that the data need be recorded at 14-bit tonal depth -- the improvement in image quality comes from the slower readout, and because the noise is still more than four 14-bit levels, the image could still be recorded in 12-bit tonal depth and be indistinguishable from the 14-bit data it was derived from.

Hasselblad does not record image in the same way as the full frame or crop sensor, yes it does in the same general way, but not exactly, they are different factors in the medium format because it is different more dynamic range, the 5.3 microns vs the 4.1 microns, the speed that the sensor picks up the image and filters and all that.
they make different sensors because, because sensors record in different ways thus giving you different results..
this is a fact..

ADVANTAGES OF A LARGER SENSOR
A larger sensor has a larger area to gather light and the pixels are not so tightly packed as in a smaller format sensor. The larger sensor area means the individual pixels can be larger, too. For example, on a 50 megapixel Hasselblad CMOS camera, the pixel size is about 5.3 microns. Compare that to the pixel size on a standard high resolution DSLR and the size is about 4.14 microns. Thus, low light performance is much better, because the signal to noise ratio is favorable. In plain English that translates to 28 percent greater light capturing capacity.

But that’s not all. A larger sensor provides much greater dynamic range, which gives a larger transitional tonal value, greater tonal accuracy, and better color accuracy. The dynamic range on a medium format camera is 14-stops more than that of a DSLR! The images shot are true 16-bit.

A larger sensor provides room to produce larger lenses, which are easier to make, and thus the optical quality of such lenses is superior. Add to this the benefit that medium format lenses can deliver a shallower depth of field when compared to full-frame DSLRs at the same aperture settings. Even at smaller apertures the quality of the images produced are sharp and devoid of diffraction, thanks to the superior optical quality.

Besides the advantage in pixel count, the much larger area of the medium-format sensors gives them an advantage in image noise. A larger sensor area can collect more light (photons) than a smaller one when you use the same shutter speed and aperture. And the more light, the higher the signal-to-noise (S/N) ratio. That’s because photonic noise (the noise carried by light itself and the main source of noise in most digital images with current cameras) increases as the square root of the signal: If you have 4 photons of signal, you’ll get 2 photons of noise, for a photonic S/N ratio of 2:1. If you have 100 photons of signal, noise will be 10 photons, for a 10:1 S/N ratio. If you have 10,000 photons of signal, you get 100 photons of noise, for a photonic S/N ratio of 100:1. A better S/N ratio means fewer fine details and steps of dynamic range are lost to noise, and that means better image quality, including higher resolution for a given pixel count (because less detail is lost to noise). Of course, there are other sources of image noise, but from a photonic noise standpoint, bigger is better.

Nearly all medium-format digital cameras are 16-bit devices, while DSLRs are 14- or 12-bit. This means the medium-format cameras can provide a smoother range of tones (especially important in portrait work, but almost always a good thing), theoretically, 65,536 tones or color shades per channel versus 16,384 for 14-bit and 4,096 for 12-bit cameras.

(JPEGs from any camera are 8-bit—just 256 tones from black to white—one of many reasons to shoot RAW.) Of course, some of these steps are lost to noise (if the difference from one step to the next is less than the noise level, you won’t be able to differentiate those steps), but still, 16-bit medium-format images can reproduce a smoother range of tones and colors than 14- and 12-bit DSLR images.

This is a Fact and Undisputed!!!!
this is how it is... This is why a hassy goes for 40k vs your best full frame camera maybe 8 k at most..
there is a reason why the hassy is 5 times the price, it's not because of it's name..


When you copy other peoples work verbatim without credit it's called plagiarism and is generally a real good indication of your incompetence. Here's a link to the article your stole: https://www.picturecorrect.com/tips/how-are-medium-format-cameras-different-than-regular-cameras/

Joe


LMAO i didn't steal it i just quoted it, and just because it's some one else article doesn't change the facts..
that is not the debate..
so you can get desperate and try and say some one else said it, so your incompetent which is stupid, so that means everything you know was implanted in your head at birth and you didn't have to read it from some one else? Give it a rest that is how we find out things, reading..
just because i read it and posted it to explain it rather then typing it all myself doesn't make me incompetent, your statement was really a stupid one. and doesn't not help your argument..
 
No they don't work the same, the Hasselblad medium format delivers pixel size of 5.3 microns where full frame only 4.1 Microns.. dynamic range is 14 stops and TRUE 16 bit, unlike full fame is NOT!!

The dynamic range (DXoMark style) of the Hasselbald H5 -- we are talking about the H5 because that's the camera you referred to in your other post -- is 14 stops as you note here. DXoMark measures the dynamic range of the Nikon 850 at 14.8 stops which is more. (14.8 is bigger than 14): Nikon D850 : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark

Joe
No i said the H5 is 14 stops more then most full frame camera not 14 total lol

28% more light available 28% more light available.....
 
LMAO i didn't steal it i just quoted it,

No, you didn't quote it.

Joe
Yeah i did quote it i copied it and an pasted it, that's as accurate quote as you can get.
Besides as i said doesn't change the facts!! SORRY!!

and because i copied it and pasted it doesn't make me incompetent , maybe lazy but not incompetent ..
I read to get my information then pass it on..

Don't tell me you just know things you get your info the same way reading and learning..

besides what i did doesn't make me incope
 
No they don't work the same, the Hasselblad medium format delivers pixel size of 5.3 microns where full frame only 4.1 Microns.. dynamic range is 14 stops and TRUE 16 bit, unlike full fame is NOT!!

The dynamic range (DXoMark style) of the Hasselbald H5 -- we are talking about the H5 because that's the camera you referred to in your other post -- is 14 stops as you note here. DXoMark measures the dynamic range of the Nikon 850 at 14.8 stops which is more. (14.8 is bigger than 14): Nikon D850 : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark

Joe
No i said the H5 is 14 stops more then most full frame camera not 14 total lol

28% more light available 28% more light available.....

Please provide a reference link.

Joe
 
No they don't work the same, the Hasselblad medium format delivers pixel size of 5.3 microns where full frame only 4.1 Microns.. dynamic range is 14 stops and TRUE 16 bit, unlike full fame is NOT!!

The dynamic range (DXoMark style) of the Hasselbald H5 -- we are talking about the H5 because that's the camera you referred to in your other post -- is 14 stops as you note here. DXoMark measures the dynamic range of the Nikon 850 at 14.8 stops which is more. (14.8 is bigger than 14): Nikon D850 : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark

Joe
No i said the H5 is 14 stops more then most full frame camera not 14 total lol

28% more light available 28% more light available.....

Please provide a reference link.

Joe

I would but you might turn around and say I stole it from somewhere
 
I would but you might turn around say I stole it from somewhere..
 
No they don't work the same, the Hasselblad medium format delivers pixel size of 5.3 microns where full frame only 4.1 Microns.. dynamic range is 14 stops and TRUE 16 bit, unlike full fame is NOT!!

The dynamic range (DXoMark style) of the Hasselbald H5 -- we are talking about the H5 because that's the camera you referred to in your other post -- is 14 stops as you note here. DXoMark measures the dynamic range of the Nikon 850 at 14.8 stops which is more. (14.8 is bigger than 14): Nikon D850 : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark

Joe
No i said the H5 is 14 stops more then most full frame camera not 14 total lol

28% more light available 28% more light available.....

Please provide a reference link.

Joe

I would but you might turn around and say I stole it from somewhere

Not if you provide the link in the post. You can't because what you've claimed is pure rubbish. Even the newest Hasselblad using current tech can't come remotely close to your claim. Now watch, here's how you provide a reference link: Hasselblad X1D-50c : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark Look at that! It has the exact same dynamic range as a Nikon 850.

Now where's your reference link? Please provide one. Otherwise your claim gets this: :biglaugh:

Joe
 
No they don't work the same, the Hasselblad medium format delivers pixel size of 5.3 microns where full frame only 4.1 Microns.. dynamic range is 14 stops and TRUE 16 bit, unlike full fame is NOT!!

The dynamic range (DXoMark style) of the Hasselbald H5 -- we are talking about the H5 because that's the camera you referred to in your other post -- is 14 stops as you note here. DXoMark measures the dynamic range of the Nikon 850 at 14.8 stops which is more. (14.8 is bigger than 14): Nikon D850 : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark

Joe
No i said the H5 is 14 stops more then most full frame camera not 14 total lol

28% more light available 28% more light available.....

Please provide a reference link.

Joe

I would but you might turn around and say I stole it from somewhere

Not if you provide the link in the post. You can't because what you've claimed is pure rubbish. Even the newest Hasselblad using current tech can't come remotely close to your claim. Now watch, here's how you provide a reference link: Hasselblad X1D-50c : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark Look at that! It has the exact same dynamic range as a Nikon 850.

Now where's your reference link? Please provide one. Otherwise your claim gets this: :biglaugh:

Joe


That's the Xh1D not the H5 Multishot big difference bewtween the 2 that like the Nikon D850 vs the Nikon D7200
completely different..
Dxomark doesn't have a Compare score for the H5 Multi Shot and the H6, which is the new version of the H5 so i doubt the D850 can even come close to the New H6 which is the same thing as the H5 only the newer release, that is better then the H5


Hasselblad H5D-50c

Hasselblad H6D-400c


Hasselblad X1D-50c
 
No they don't work the same, the Hasselblad medium format delivers pixel size of 5.3 microns where full frame only 4.1 Microns.. dynamic range is 14 stops and TRUE 16 bit, unlike full fame is NOT!!

The dynamic range (DXoMark style) of the Hasselbald H5 -- we are talking about the H5 because that's the camera you referred to in your other post -- is 14 stops as you note here. DXoMark measures the dynamic range of the Nikon 850 at 14.8 stops which is more. (14.8 is bigger than 14): Nikon D850 : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark

Joe
No i said the H5 is 14 stops more then most full frame camera not 14 total lol

28% more light available 28% more light available.....

Please provide a reference link.

Joe

I would but you might turn around and say I stole it from somewhere

Not if you provide the link in the post. You can't because what you've claimed is pure rubbish. Even the newest Hasselblad using current tech can't come remotely close to your claim. Now watch, here's how you provide a reference link: Hasselblad X1D-50c : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark Look at that! It has the exact same dynamic range as a Nikon 850.

Now where's your reference link? Please provide one. Otherwise your claim gets this: :biglaugh:

Joe


That's the Xh1D not the H5 Multishot big difference bewtween the 2 that like the Nikon D850 vs the Nikon D7200
completely different..
Dxomark doesn't have a Compare score for the H5 Multi Shot and the H6, which is the new version of the H5 so i doubt the D850 can even come close to the New H6 which is the same thing as the H5 only the newer release, that is better then the H5


Hasselblad H5D-50c

Hasselblad H6D-400c


Hasselblad X1D-50c

So no link to substantiate your ridiculous nonsense. Got it!

You said: "No i said the H5 is 14 stops more then most full frame camera not 14 total lol

28% more light available 28% more light available....." :biglaugh:

Joe

And you can find DR test results for the H6 at Bill Claff's site -- it's identical to the X1D.
 
The dynamic range (DXoMark style) of the Hasselbald H5 -- we are talking about the H5 because that's the camera you referred to in your other post -- is 14 stops as you note here. DXoMark measures the dynamic range of the Nikon 850 at 14.8 stops which is more. (14.8 is bigger than 14): Nikon D850 : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark

Joe
No i said the H5 is 14 stops more then most full frame camera not 14 total lol

28% more light available 28% more light available.....

Please provide a reference link.

Joe

I would but you might turn around and say I stole it from somewhere

Not if you provide the link in the post. You can't because what you've claimed is pure rubbish. Even the newest Hasselblad using current tech can't come remotely close to your claim. Now watch, here's how you provide a reference link: Hasselblad X1D-50c : Tests and Reviews | DxOMark Look at that! It has the exact same dynamic range as a Nikon 850.

Now where's your reference link? Please provide one. Otherwise your claim gets this: :biglaugh:

Joe


That's the Xh1D not the H5 Multishot big difference bewtween the 2 that like the Nikon D850 vs the Nikon D7200
completely different..
Dxomark doesn't have a Compare score for the H5 Multi Shot and the H6, which is the new version of the H5 so i doubt the D850 can even come close to the New H6 which is the same thing as the H5 only the newer release, that is better then the H5


Hasselblad H5D-50c

Hasselblad H6D-400c


Hasselblad X1D-50c

So no link to substantiate your ridiculous nonsense. Got it!

You said: "No i said the H5 is 14 stops more then most full frame camera not 14 total lol

28% more light available 28% more light available....." :biglaugh:

Joe

And you can find DR test results for the H6 at Bill Claff's site -- it's identical to the X1D.





Neither is yours, your post is the X1d not the H5D or the H6D
So your post doesn't not apply, Sorry
Donny
 

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